Milo/UC Berkley protestors stop 'hate speech' by using violence and hate...

[dowie]

He compared her to a man afaik, which was abusive.

 

[dowie]

He is a fascist as anyone who criticises him he immediately trolls them with his followers and they end up quiet which is what he wants. His way, his view is right and the rest are all wrong.

It's not just polite criticism, him and his ilk stir up hatred against minorities.

He's a facist because people who follow him attack people he doesn't like? You've basically just defined almost every celeb on twitter who has has a feud with another celeb as a facist in that case.

Basically you're trying to say you don't like him, that's cool I think he's a dick too. But calling him a facist because you don't like him is just silly.

 

[dowie]

False. The fight back against fascism is not fascist.

But this thread has noting to do with fascists, then again the antifa demonstrators are pretty close to being facist themselves, certainly rather illiberal, authoritarian and happy to use violence against political opponents. The black bloc outfit is basically a political uniform.

 

[dowie]

Ones sides supporters believe in white supremacy, violence and give Nazi salutes, the other side is violent, and the only thing you can think is "political violence = Nazi"

You seem to be confusing different events, the thread is about Milo a gay guy with Jewish heritage who has confessed numerous times to loving black ****. While he's libertarian and offensive I'm pretty sure he's not a white supremacist.

You've then put up a picture of some completely different person at a completely different event where some Nazi salutes were made.

So back to reality, one side is a bit un-pc and 'offends' people the other side are authoritarian and use violence against people they oppose politically. Yes, again, the antifa 'protestors' who were beating people up more closely resemble Nazis than the student Republicans and others who wanted to go see Milo.

 

[dowie]

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-america-divided/milo-yiannopoulos/

Despite being the alt-right’s mouthpiece, Yiannopoulos won’t say for certain if he’s one of them. Earlier that day, lounging on a couch in the living room of his apartment, located in a huge residential complex a good 45 minutes from Central London, he replaces Wagner with Chopin so he can talk more easily. He turns to Allum Bokhari, a 25-year-old half-Pakistani Oxford graduate, who used to work for a Liberal Democratic member of Parliament and now writes for Yiannopoulos at Breitbart, and asks, “Am I a member of the alt-right?”

“No,” says Bokhari, who wears a white dress shirt, gray blazer, and gray trousers to work at a desk next to a garment rack in Yiannopoulos’s living room. “Because they wouldn’t have you. You like Israel a lot more. Some on the alt-right would describe you as a degenerate.”

Yiannopoulos, wearing a pearl bracelet, a huge diamond in his ear, and a necklace with a gold dog tag, nods in agreement. His nods shake his blond extensions. He likes to brag that he’s a bottom for tall black men and that he used to hold a paint sample called Pharoahs Gold 5 to men at clubs to see if they were dark enough to have sex with. He wants to self-publish a Kindle e-book so he can go on television shows with the chyron “Author of Satisfying the Black Man Sexually,” though he’d need to alter the title slightly, because the book Satisfying the Black Man Sexually is already on his shelf. “That’s why I don’t like Planned Parenthood. They kill all those black babies. In 20 years, they could be my harem,” he says. He sees no room for white gay men in liberal parties anymore, because all white men, he says, are treated as enemies of multiculturalism. Plus, he says, being a gay Republican reinstates the illicitness that homosexuality has lost.

Sounds like a real white nationalist... loves Israel, loves black ****... hmm

Or maybe he's just rude, offensive and a bit of a **** at times - that doesn't make him a Nazi or a Facist though and the student Republican societies who invite him to college campuses are politically mainstream, unless Trump is now literally Hitler (I guess some on the left might think so but in reality it is just a crap attempt at crying 'racist', 'facist' at something you don't like in order to justify others taking violent action).

 

[dowie]

Another flawed cartoon...

He had a platform at the university - he wasn't able to speak thanks to a violent mob. Free speech laws in the US are supposed to protect against that and law enforcement is supposed to stop that sort of violence. That is why the westboro baptist loons can get away with all their nonsense - the police turn up and protect their constitutional right to free speech. It is, after all, not speech that everyone likes which needs to be protected - the whole point of having laws protecting free speech is to protect dissenting, alternative, 'controversial' speech.

 

[dowie]

"I think all Jews should burn in the ovens" - Free speech?

"lets gather up all the Jews into the ovens" Free speech?

Now, they are extreme examples,

They're made up examples so rather irrelevant, no one is saying there are absolutely no limits on free speech. Inciting violence, making death threats, shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre etc... but being rude and un-pc isn't an exception.

but Milo has previously used his stage to incite violence towards not just transgendered people, but to a very specific transgender student for filing a Title IX complaint about bathroom access.

It was talked about that Milo was this time going to target immigrant students and name them.

So you're basing an argument on a rumour of what people think he might have possibly been planning to say? Also naming a tranny who made a big public display of gaining access to a female locker room isn't 'inviting violence' nor does it make someone a 'facist'.

His audience is known for throwing the Nazi salute.

The Fash will be get bashed.

Yet they're not facist and you're just making stuff up, you posted a picture from a completely different speaker's event - that is just dishonesty on your part, you can't base an argument off a fabrication.

Aside from posting cartoons you haven't been able to present anything credible to suggest Milo is a facist, I've found myself defending him even though I dislike him. Your attempt so far has been to fabricate things by posting a crowd picture from an event that has nothing to do with him, if that is the best you can do then your argument is incredibly weak.

 

[dowie]

No, the arguments based on how he has acted in the past towards disenfranchised minorities.

And your use of the word Tranny shows where your feelings lie.

Nah the argument you presented was quite clearly based on what it was presumed he would say. If he'd done the same thing in the past then you'd have cited it.

If he had previously "named a n*****r who made a big public display of gaining access to a White's locker room" and the room was full of racists isnt acceptable to you, but you haven't come that far when it comes to transgendered people, that's understandable, but lol if you think the Anti-fa are going to let you say those kinds of things and not get bashed?!

So yet more 'what if he said x'.

Face it, you've got no credible basis to call him a facist - you've so far posted cartoons, you've tried a fabrication by using a photo from a different event and different speaker and after that dishonesty how can we take you seriously. Now you're arguing against him on the basis of what some people think he might have been planning to say and what if he'd said x etc...

What a joke, why not attempt to construct an argument using what he's actually done.

 

[dowie]

I've sourced with links my information that shows what he has done in the past, and what he will do in the future.

No you haven't, you posted a fake picture a mosned about him calling out a trans student. The rest of your post was what ifs. You've not established anything.

 

[dowie]

So are people still defending him itt?

Not only is he a transphobic, racist and been photographed in his youth apparently wearing nazi memorabilia, now his views on pedophilea have resulted in him losing his massive book deal (at horrendous cost to the publisher) and has been disinvited from CPAC. Or is promoting pedophilia free speech as well?

You're obsessed with this Nazi thing, a quick Google suggests he's wearing an Iron cross that predates the Nazis. Still don't worry about facts if it gets in the way of you being able to scream 'nazi' at someone whose political views you don't like.

 

[dowie]

So he basically said he learned to give good head by being abused by a priest?

That's pretty wrong whatever way you look at it.

I think he was making a crude joke... and since he was the victim in that instance he's got every right to make a dark joke about it.

 

[dowie]

I guess they only defend free speech when it's aimed at black people, gays, Muslims, immigrants, trans people etc

I find it amazing that's it was his own conservatives that tore him a new one rather than lubrals.

hang on... check out the location of the resort in that picture

 

[dowie]

Yes, I'm mainly talking about adults having sexual relations with children under the age of 16 as was the case with Milo (he was 14 and the priest was 29), maybe he rationalised so it wasn't abuse because he consented. But the simple matter is that how grooming works, they are warmed up to the idea, and is thus normalised to them.

He just told a joke about it AFAIK

 

[dowie]

George Takei openly talking about his experiences as a gay 13 yr old...

https://youtu.be/P2nZcCRRj8c?t=207


(warning swear near start of video, have used a timestamped link to the relevant bits, possibly more swearing later)

 

[dowie]

Edit. And just gone back to finish the video. Correct me if I'm wrong buy Takei joking about what happened to him is certainly not Takei saying that what happened to him was ok, and that it should be legal for what happened to him to happen...

well neither has Milo... Milo jokes about what happened to him and George joked about what happened to him...

also the host who has edited it used the term Meme Lord unironically and you thought it appropriate to link him, how embarrassing for you.

I'm not interested in the host, I linked to it with a time stamp to show the clip.

 

[dowie]

Other thing is... with all this controversy in the media and his book being dropped by the publishers he's probably going to get a bigger book deal and even more sales now.

 

[dowie]

Please read the thread.

I have read the thread thanks, please provide some evidence for your previous post.

 

[dowie]

Is Milo a fascist, or at the very least deploying public presentation methods lifted, without much attribution, from that root for lucrative infamy? I'll leave the reader to decide:

Goebells' Principles of Propaganda:
http://bths.enschool.org/ourpages/auto/2014/2/4/34651180/Goebbel_s Principles of Propaganda.pdf

Propaganda and Persuasion (Skim chapters 2,6,7 and 8 if short on time):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Propaganda-Persuasion-Garth-S-Jowett-ebook/dp/B00JXZ2YB6/

Now, print out all of Milo's output verbatim -- 'serious' and 'ironic' (he can never decide between the two) -- and go to town with the highlighter! For GD's benefit, however, here's the TLDR version of fascist PR 101 to reference:

• Repeat simple, reduced ideas, shaped by common stereotypes and phrases
• Appeal to base emotions, avoid complexity and abstraction
• Do not persuade -- invoke!
• Destroy your opponents -- if white propaganda exists against them, good; if not, deploy black propaganda (as in, make **** up, also refer back to the first point); criticise viciously
• Present only your preferred side of the argument; supress or destroy alternatives
• Point out a single, easily indentifiable enemy and villify mercilessly

Thing is those principles apply even more so to his critics.

Plenty in the main stream media have labelled him a white supremacist, Nazi etc... without any further argument as to why he's those things. Now this latest story seems to rely on out of context quotes and ignoring various other statements made by him that would clearly contradict the narrative they're trying to push.

 

[dowie]

But no, you go on believing him when he says he didn't say it, or that he did but didn't mean it like that. It truly is me who is living in the Harry Potter universe.

Given that he's actively exposed 3 paedophiles within his journalist career and has said that age of consent laws are about right it is pretty reasonable to state that he doesn't support paedophilia and the reference to 'boys' is, as he said, young men. You want to believe or push the idea that he is because you don't like him and it fits your narrative. Previously you called him a Nazi but that doesn't really fit very well with a gay person with jewish heritage who likes black **** and who actual nazis/far right think is a degenerate. So now we've moved onto the old homosexuality/paedophile link which requires taking quotes out of context and selectively ignoring his various other statements on the issue which directly contradict any idea that he supports paedophilia.

It is deliberately dishonest and you've really got no credibility if you carry on making the claim. Sure it was a PR disaster for him and he should have chosen his words much more wisely. He's a troll, an ******* a provocateur etc.. there are plenty of things to criticise him for without having to jump on the fake news bandwagon and try to slander him. In doing so you're acting within the supposed criteria for being a 'Nazi' as outlined in a previous post and you're supposed to be anti Nazi.

 

[dowie]

CNN had him on the front page when the story broke and have started a previous story last week by calling him a 'white supremacist'

I'm not quite sure what point you think I've made that you're attacking - I don't believe I've stated he is the number one news story or that a couple of days later he would still be front of any web sites, I've simply commented that a lot of his critics fit the Nazi criteria you posted more than he does. Whether their employers consider it the headline of the day two days later doesn't affect that.