Mk2 Ford KA how to tell if it has start-stop

I must admit the 1st time I had a car with start/stop it freaked me out when it 1st did it (there was a time that when the engine cut out at traffic lights you were Donald Duck'd) but all I do is just stay in gear and leave the clutch in, if I'm feeling like I won't be moving for a while I'll knock it out of gear so the start/stop system kicks in.

Not sure how it works on auto's though as all 3 cars I've had it in have been manuals and I think it's fine. If the Ka is like my Focus there should be a light on the dash that's like a A surrounded by arrow swirl.
 
What is the logic behind the special batteries, is it just a longevity issue?

Fitting a standard wet flooded battery to a stop start systems will mean that the battery WILL FAIL, not an option of, it might fail, but it will, most likely within a couple of months of installation, 3 to 4 at the outside.

The cyclic lifespan is not good enough, and batteries like that are not designed to run with minimal charge, or even at a reduced level of charge, for long duration's, a very common scenario with stop start systems.

You must use one of the special batteries, designed to work with stop start systems.

There are a few variations on a theme, but basically you get either an EFB (Enhanced Flooded Battery), otherwise known as AFB (Advanced Flooded Battery) or ECM (Enhanced-Cycling-Mat).

EFB batteries are an enhanced version of standard wet-flooded technology. The primary benefits of EFB technology are improved charge acceptance and greater cyclic durability when operating in a reduced state of charge.
As an approximation, EFB batteries will provide 85,000 engine starts, compared to 30,000 starts from standard flooded product, in a standard vehicle (without stop start).
These tend to be fitted to lower spec vehicles in a manufacturers product line, as they are not clever as such and cannot be sued with any kind of energy recovery systems, such as regenerative braking etc.

The other most common type of battery on higher spec vehicles and more performance orientated vehicles are, Absorbent Glass Mat batteries(AGM).
AGM batteries are built using a glass mat separator which enable all the electrolyte required by the battery to be stored within the glass mat, also allowing any gasses given off during charging to be recombined into water meaning that the batteries are totally maintenance free. The design benefits of the glass mat over conventional flooded batteries enable the battery pack to operate under higher pressure without the fear of insufficient electrolyte between the plates, leading to the step change in durability offered by AGM batteries over flooded.

These batteries are almost always fitted with complicated battery management systems that link to the vehicle ECU so they can communicate and make sure that everything is working in synch. This is also why you will find these type of batteries on the higher spec cars with regenerative braking or passive boost systems. This will mean that come the time to change out an AGM battery you will also need to re link the new one with the vehicles ECU which will take the technician a bit of time and work with their diagnostic kit.
 
These batteries are almost always fitted with complicated battery management systems that link to the vehicle ECU so they can communicate and make sure that everything is working in synch. This is also why you will find these type of batteries on the higher spec cars with regenerative braking or passive boost systems. This will mean that come the time to change out an AGM battery you will also need to re link the new one with the vehicles ECU which will take the technician a bit of time and work with their diagnostic kit.

Which necessitates a dealer to supply, fit and code the battery to the vehicle computers. That's not going to be good value.

It not just higher spec cars, my mechanic had a VW Transporter in with it last week. He had to tell them he couldn't fix it.

I remember when a car was a car. Now it's a vendor locked in computer network on wheels.
 
I was asking about stop/start batteries when my partner had her Focus, we were told the battery would require changing every 3 years, the car was on its same battery when she changed it at 5years / 50k Miles so I’m not sure where that advice came from!


Can’t stand stop start personally,I always turn it off.
 
What makes you think you’d need to replace the battery every few years? Not had a start stop equipped car that’s shown signs of battery failure yet...

The fuel savings are minimal regardless though. It’s the emissions that are more positively affected.

More and more Golfs are popping up with batteries that have failed, including mine. My Stop/Start was turned off about a year after getting it. 4years is terrible for a battery, the Wife has a 2009 BMW and the battery is still the original. Dread to think what the ring gear goes through after a lifetime of starting a car every time there are traffic lights. I still got an AGM battery to replace the original.
 
I was asking about stop/start batteries when my partner had her Focus, we were told the battery would require changing every 3 years, the car was on its same battery when she changed it at 5years / 50k Miles so I’m not sure where that advice came from!

My 2012 Focus is still on it's original battery, although Stop/Start hasn't worked since I've had the car (almost 3 years) - not that it bothers me.
 
My 2012 Focus is still on it's original battery, although Stop/Start hasn't worked since I've had the car (almost 3 years) - not that it bothers me.
The stop start stopped working on her 12 plate Focus for the last 18months of her ownership, I was delighted :D , it bothered her thinking the car had a fault, the local Ford dealer kept banging on about it needing a new battery - despite the battery being healthy enough to start first turn of the key after 3 weeks of standing - I think the stop/start ceases to function below a certain battery voltage but the battery is such heavy duty it will soldier on for a very long time of normal ie non stop/start useage...
 
My 2012 Focus is still on it's original battery, although Stop/Start hasn't worked since I've had the car (almost 3 years) - not that it bothers me.
That's weird, I also have a 2012 Focus and my stop start doesn't work either. But then does if I go on a really long drive, a hundred miles or more then it works for a few days then stops working again.
 
That's weird, I also have a 2012 Focus and my stop start doesn't work either. But then does if I go on a really long drive, a hundred miles or more then it works for a few days then stops working again.
So when the battery has an opportunity to be fully charged it starts working. Makes sense if the battery is a bit marginal and/or you do a lot of local running.
 
That's weird, I also have a 2012 Focus and my stop start doesn't work either. But then does if I go on a really long drive, a hundred miles or more then it works for a few days then stops working again.
Put it on a charger overnight and it’ll be fine for a few weeks at least (assuming the battery is not starting to give up its will to live)
 
The batteries on start stop cars need to be kept above 70-80% charge for the system to work correctly.

So repeated short journeys of less than 5-10 miles could have a effect, especially in winter with lights, heated windows, etc putting the battery below 70 -80% charge, and not giving time to recharge fully, between trips.

Regular long drives are what is needed, but then the dealers never tell you that !!



For the Focus owners above , You could always try resetting the on board battery monitoring system, it has been known to go out of kilter, and or, it will always need resetting if you have had a new battery or have disconnected the battery for any reason.

If you want to have a go at resetting the battery monitoring, just do as follows

Ignition on for 10 secs, press rear footlights switch 5 times, press hazard switch 3 times, wait 10 secs, the battery warning light flashes. Turn Ignition off

Use the car, and see if that fixes the problem.
 
So my car went in for the 1.6 Ecoboost recall and they noticed that the alternator belt was a wee bit frayed and the pulley was slightly loose. I've never had any issues or warnings but apparently they had one when returning the car to me. They said they'd cover it as they were in the engine bay and couldn't say if they didn't cause it so replaced the belt and pulley foc! Ever since then the auto stop has worked perfectly every time. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
 
So when the battery has an opportunity to be fully charged it starts working. Makes sense if the battery is a bit marginal and/or you do a lot of local running.
So while my work is relatively close by I also do a 45 mile round trip twice a week but it still didn't work unless it was a really long run. As above though its working!
 
So while my work is relatively close by I also do a 45 mile round trip twice a week but it still didn't work unless it was a really long run. As above though its working!

It's stopped working again. Must be the battery but it starts on the button every time so I'm loathe to change it. They're not cheap.
 
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