MOD over spent

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just seen on news that the mod has over spent so immediate cuts of millions and millions.

On side note GB announces that we are to give 500Miliion to poorer countries for the next three years.


Get real defense before some climate swindle, support our troops.

I am gob smacked absolutely disgusted with this it is outrageous that our service men/woman are being shafted like this for the sake of some BS AGW rubbish.
 
On side note GB announces that we are to give 500Miliion to poorer countries for the next three years.
Actually no. We are donating 500 million per year. So that is 1.5 billion out of 6.5 billion or 23%. Something tells me our economy doesn't make up 23% of the EU...

Back to the MOD's budget. As health, education, smoking cessation counsellor budgets are ring-fenced other departments including defence are likely looking at 10% cuts.

If you fancy boiling your blood even more thereg have an article today on yet another procurement farce. The A400M military transport plane.
 
[1] Source
[2] Are you really surprised the MOD overspend on pretty much every project they run
[3] Can you not see helping starving / dying people might possibly be more helpful than building a submarines / tanks etc ..?
 
The government send our troops off to two wars and then wonder why we have over spent... really!!

If you go to war costs normally increase. Logically yes?

I think we should support other coutries where possible but the ones really in need first. Not the ones that have better space programs then we do :rolleyes:

Supporting our troop is a must but with the recession the government is bound to cut corners and as normal cut back on things it shouldnt and put money into things it shouldnt. I just wish the government for just once would listen to the people . Oh look flying pigs in formation
 
[3] Can you not see helping starving / dying people might possibly be more helpful than building a submarines / tanks etc ..?

Of course not, but there comes a point where the British people need to have their own tax money spent on themselves. We already look after the 'poor' people within the UK as it is and we can barely afford that.
 
Of course not, but there comes a point where the British people need to have their own tax money spent on themselves. We already look after the 'poor' people within the UK as it is and we can barely afford that.

No totally agree, but when we all spend £417 million IN ONE DAY online (see the Amazon thread) I find it a little hard to take that we can't afford to help out the poorest areas in the world.
 
[3] Can you not see helping starving / dying people might possibly be more helpful than building a submarines / tanks etc ..?

Throwing money at underdeveloped countries has consistently provide to be a huge waste of time. How about we sort out our own problems before running around making futile attempts to bring undeveloped countries to our flawed idea of development, eh?
 
Throwing money at underdeveloped countries has consistently provide to be a huge waste of time. How about we sort out our own problems before running around making futile attempts to bring undeveloped countries to our flawed idea of development, eh?

So your saying the money we provide has saved no one? Are you seriously saying it is flawed to give these people support?
 
No totally agree, but when we all spend £417 million IN ONE DAY online (see the Amazon thread) I find it a little hard to take that we can't afford to help out the poorest areas in the world.

Why do we need to help the backwards placed of the world?

I will paraphrase something I posted on a thread elsewhere on the topic.

rypt paraphrased said:
The developing countries use the argument that the west is trying to hold them back from industrialising, what they fail to mention is that if they were not such backwards places they would have industrialised long ago - the same time as the rest of us were.

Many of them are ancient cultures that have at one time or another lead research, however for most of them this was longer than 200-300 years ago.
They were good back then, but were stuck in the same type of governance and life that they failed to adjust to the modern world.

The argument that they are all ex-colonies and as such it is our fault simply does not hold true. Europe (and eventually America) have led the technological development for many, many years now - when the Brits first went to India most of Europe was already on the SAME level as each other development and technology wise, yet what we found in India was a far less industrialised society.
Why is it that they were so many years behind Europe? Why were they even behind Russia (who were not an industrial power at that time)?
The colonial influence was a positive, we brought them engineering expertise, ability to build roads and railways, knowledge on how to govern in a modern fashion (yes it was not implemented by us, but the "knowledge" was none the less there).

They have no-one to blame but themselves for their slow industrialisation, Russia managed to do it many years ago ... even though they were behind the rest of Europe they were still ahead of all these backwards Asian and African countries.
Why are S. Korea and Japan, so far ahead of the rest of Asian countries?

Look at Africa, it is still a backwards thinking mess.
 
So your saying the money we provide has saved no one? Are you seriously saying it is flawed to give these people support?

It has helped saved lives, but does it really eliminate the core problem? It'll never work, and this country will be here forever throwing a huge waste of money at it.
 
If you fancy boiling your blood even more thereg have an article today on yet another procurement farce. The A400M military transport plane.

Exactly, they have plenty of money it's just spent incorrectly. Like the millions they have ****ed up the wall fitting foam into C130 tanks to stop an explosion should they be hit by small arms fire.

Or the money currently be wasted fitting glass cockpits to Tristar.

Or the excat same mistake being made again going for the Airbus tanker option over Boeing because the right palms weren't greased by boeing.

I worked on the A400M test bed for quite some time, what a complete money pit that was, still paid the mortgage.

For the budget we have as a nation we need to spend money on proven equipment not some old cack on the drawing board from airbus.

The number of ministry contracts that are still given out per hour is a complete joke. I worked at a place where people that didn't even work the project were booked to ministry jobs while working on others just to screw more money out of the MOD and no-one bats an eyelid. We are talking 10's of thousands of man hours per year.

I spent a whole year being booked to a job when I didn't even work in the same department.
 
Why do we even need the A400M any way aren't we buying the galaxy from the states that does the exact same job?

Also look at the aircraft carriers, because of budget constraints they have introduced a build slow policy, WTF ?!?!?!?!? since when has building some thing over a longer period of time ever made it cheaper ?!!?
 
Why do we even need the A400M any way aren't we buying the galaxy from the states that does the exact same job?

Also look at the aircraft carriers, because of budget constraints they have introduced a build slow policy, WTF ?!?!?!?!? since when has building some thing over a longer period of time ever made it cheaper ?!!?

It spreads the cost. It wont be cheaper, but it saves us money now.
 
Good thing Raytheon didn't accept my application :D

MoD has overcommitted in many areas. My question is: is it a bad thing to be a shadow of our formal self? I can only see the defence contractors being hard pushed as China and India based suppliers become more mainstream supported by their governments.
 
[3] Can you not see helping starving / dying people might possibly be more helpful than building a submarines / tanks etc ..?

Not to the many jobs here in the UK that is supports. No.

Imagine if all the poor countries had healthier people full of food, they would have more arms than countries like ours as thats pretty much all they already spend aid on.
 
Why do we even need the A400M any way aren't we buying the galaxy from the states that does the exact same job?

Something about work share and sits well with the FRES white elephant.

Also look at the aircraft carriers, because of budget constraints they have introduced a build slow policy, WTF ?!?!?!?!? since when has building some thing over a longer period of time ever made it cheaper ?!!?

Do you understand cashflow?

£2bn CVF - 2off, thats $4bn (ignore how much they have probbaly gone up now)

4 years over typical MOD stage gates payments costs UK plc £1bn a year, do it over 8 and its £500 million a year. To the treasury thats half price.

Thinking about it I've worked on quite a few MoD things now - pays the bills :p
 
Sorry yeah you're right people here loosing their jobs is totally equal to people in Africa loosing their lives. How misguided of me.

If no one in the UK works how do you sustain your utopia that British funds raised through taxes end up in Africa?

Lets see, the important word in your sentence was the last one in it. Me.
 
If no one in the UK works how do you sustain your utopia that British funds raised through taxes end up in Africa?

Lets see, the important word in your sentence was the last one in it. Me.
I think you're a little drunk at the moment, and when you re-read this thread tomorrow you'll post something sensible
 
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