modeo ST TDCI - MPG?

[Reality Bites]

It's not the same as other diesel v petrol arguements.

The ST TDCi is not equivilent to the ST220 - it only looks like one. It is CONSIDERABLY slower.

It's like comparing a 330i with a 320d. You wouldn't.

It's a Mondeo, dont spend £10k on one, get a tidy 02/03 ST220 for £6k and spend £3k on fuel and have a big grin. It's by far the better option. The ST220 is a sports saloon, the ST TDCi is a diesel motorway muncher with a party frock.

the thing is, i've not compared the tdci to the 220. i simply asked for achievable mpg figures from the tdci. I appreciate the diesel isn't as quick as the 220 nor does it have the toys of a 220. I simply wanted the MPG figures of what i would call a good sized, decent looking hatchback.

 

[MagicBoy]

The tax implications are enough to scare anyone away from an ST220. £415 a year road and high% if your a company user - no thanks. I suspect 95% of people would take the derv.

 

[therealnerd2]

It's not the same as other diesel v petrol arguements.

The ST TDCi is not equivilent to the ST220 - it only looks like one. It is CONSIDERABLY slower.

It's like comparing a 330i with a 320d. You wouldn't.

It's a Mondeo, dont spend £10k on one, get a tidy 02/03 ST220 for £6k and spend £3k on fuel and have a big grin. It's by far the better option. The ST220 is a sports saloon, the ST TDCi is a diesel motorway muncher with a party frock.

Does the ST TDCI actually have ANY performance mods over the standard TDCI?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Well it has the 155bhp TDCi engine but other than that, no. You can get the same engine in a Titanium X.

 

[Skeeter]

the thing is, i've not compared the tdci to the 220. i simply asked for achievable mpg figures from the tdci. I appreciate the diesel isn't as quick as the 220 nor does it have the toys of a 220. I simply wanted the MPG figures of what i would call a good sized, decent looking hatchback.

But that fact is, your asking for MPG figures because you want to budget, yet would rather spend £10k on a slow car than £6 on a fast one? Your argument doesnt add up as you have fallen into the ever so dangerous trap of "i want a cheap car, must be a Diesel"

 

[therealnerd2]

But that fact is, your asking for MPG figures because you want to budget, yet would rather spend £10k on a slow car than £6 on a fast one? Your argument doesnt add up as you have fallen into the ever so dangerous trap of "i want a cheap car, must be a Diesel"

Yes. The real question is - why do you feel you need a 06 car, and not an 03/04 version?

 

[The_Dark_Side]

But that fact is, your asking for MPG figures because you want to budget, yet would rather spend £10k on a slow car than £6 on a fast one? Your argument doesnt add up as you have fallen into the ever so dangerous trap of "i want a cheap car, must be a Diesel"

1. Since when did the OP need to convince you of his "argument"?

2. Try answering the OP, rather than try to force your own agenda/viewpoint.

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

the 2.2 seems to have more than the usual diesel horror storries. Not sure i would buy one

DONT BUY ONE. They have seriously ****ed ignition systems. Our mondeo with the 2.2 has had 4figure bill jobs done on it twice on ignition. Luckily it was covered under warrenty but I would hate to own one out of it! The MPG is typically 45-50 if your foot isnt too heavy MPG is worked out over the whole tank iirc.

Well it has the 155bhp TDCi engine but other than that, no. You can get the same engine in a Titanium X.

Ours is a a titX Apart from the bucket seats and multispoke alloys its an ST. Has 18inch rims and the body kit.

 

[therealnerd2]

1. Since when did the OP need to convince you of his "argument"?

2. Try answering the OP, rather than try to force your own agenda/viewpoint.

I don't really understand.

I don't know ST TDCI mpg figures. I'm sorry. Hopefully someone else will answer that.

Meanwhile, is it okay with you if i discuss the interesting reasons and rationale for owning the TDCI vs the comparable petrol model?

 

[The_Dark_Side]

I don't really understand.

I don't know ST TDCI mpg figures. I'm sorry. Hopefully someone else will answer that.

Meanwhile, is it okay with you if i discuss the interesting reasons and rationale for owning the TDCI vs the comparable petrol model?

The OP sounds like he knows what type of vehicle he wants.
The OP knows his circumstances and requirements better than anyone else, especially you.

But feel free to post irrelevant bilge that will accomplish zero and contribute even less.

 

[Skeeter]

The OP sounds like he knows what type of vehicle he wants.
The OP knows his circumstances and requirements better than anyone else, especially you.

But feel free to post irrelevant bilge that will accomplish zero and contribute even less.

Wow! I tell you what, I wish I could get all that info from a simple post!

the OP DOESNT sound like he knows what car he wants. the OP sounds like he wants to save money and has been sucked into the "must be diesel" route, because he wants to know the MPG of a Diesel, and we have raised the fact that a much better way to save money would be to buy the better and considerably cheaper petrol version of the car.

Take your farsicle oracle skills elsewhere, as the dribble your producing is contributing less to this thread than anyone else!

 

[The_Dark_Side]

Wow! I tell you what, I wish I could get all that info from a simple post!

My apologies, I'll try to use shorter words in future posts for your benefit.

the OP DOESNT sound like he knows what car he wants.

i'm not going to change for less than 48ish.

you may be able to afford to run a 3 litre car which would struggle to get 28 mpg for 1200 miles a month......some can't!

Remind me where the OP is in any state of indecision?

Take your farsicle oracle skills elsewhere, as the dribble your producing is contributing less to this thread than anyone else!

Perhaps I could park them alongside your grammar skills?
It's farcical, just so you know for next time.


Now, given that we've both dragged this further OT than it needed to be, how about posting info that will actually be helpful to the OP?

For example, does it NEED to be a hatchback or would something like a Bora TDi fit the bill?

 

[Skeeter]

My apologies, I'll try to use shorter words in future posts for your benefit.



Remind me where the OP is in any state of indecision?

Perhaps I could park them alongside your grammar skills?
It's farcical, just so you know for next time.


Now, given that we've both dragged this further OT than it needed to be, how about posting info that will actually be helpful to the OP?

For example, does it NEED to be a hatchback or would something like a Bora TDi fit the bill?

Does it NEED to be a Diesel, or would something like a £6k ST220 fit the bill?

 

[The_Dark_Side]

Does it NEED to be a Diesel, or would something like a £6k ST220 fit the bill?

The OP has already stated that he cannot afford to run a 3 litre petrol car.

 

[Skeeter]

The OP has already stated that he cannot afford to run a 3 litre petrol car.

What is the current difference in tax band between the 220 and TDCI (as of 2009 tax)?

 

[The_Dark_Side]

What is the current difference in tax band between the 220 and TDCI (as of 2009 tax)?

Does the ST average more than 48mpg?
Because that's what the OP requires.
road tax differences are a matter of a few pounds per week, whereas MPG is a much larger difference. Simply repeating the same choice is wasting everyones time. It may be a sensible choice for you, but you're not the OP so unless you know more about his finances than he does then why not accept that he is NOT looking for a petrol vehicle.

Remind me where the OP is in any state of indecision?

Still waiting for you to answer this one, by the way.

 

[Skeeter]

Does the ST average more than 48mpg?
Because that's what the OP requires.
road tax differences are a matter of a few pounds per week, whereas MPG is a much larger difference. Simply repeating the same choice is wasting everyones time. It may be a sensible choice for you, but you're not the OP so unless you know more about his finances than he does then why not accept that he is NOT looking for a petrol vehicle.

Still waiting for you to answer this one, by the way.

All I wanted was a yearly figure... it was a genuine request for some simple information with which to build or destroy my argument.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

All I wanted was a yearly figure... it was a genuine request for some simple information with which to build or destroy my argument.

I doubt the tax is the main reason for discounting the petrol car as we're only talking a couple of pounds per week between the higher and lower bands. Even between £400/year and £150/year we're only talking about £5/week difference. It's the MPG that the OP is looking for and he has clearly stated that he will not change vehicles for one that returns less than 48MPG.

Does the V6 Mondy return 48MPG, as if not we can discount it immediately yes?

 

[Skeeter]

Assume the following (this does NOT mean they are precisely correct, feel free to adjust if you dissagree):

OP does 15,000 miles a year
Petrol is priced at £1.15 a litre
Diesel is priced at £1.35 a litre
(fuel prices round where I live)
Gallon = 4.54 Litres
ST220 does 30 MPG
TDCI does 50 MPG
(both granny driving)
We ignore inflation and take just the monetry value at present


Gallon of Petrol = £5.22
Gallon of Diesel = £6.12

Petrol: 15,000/30 = 500 Gallons a year = £2610
Diesel: 15,000/50 = 300 Gallons a year = £1836

Price of fuel difference: £774

An 02 ST220 will cost £300 a year to tax in 2009 and £430 in 2010
An 05 TDCI ST will cost £175 a year to tax in 2009 and £180 in 2010

So:

A TDCI will cost £899 less in 2009 and £1024 less in 2010 onwards.

Assuming the suggested £4000 difference in price between an older ST220 and newer TDCI, you will get 4.0283203125 years running from an ST220 before it costs more including purchase than a TDCI.


This may or may not be acceptable, but atleast now the figures in this thread mean something.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

Plus the diesel will become more and more effective the longer he owns it. Then factor in that Diesels not only hold their value far better than the petrol equivalent, but they tend to sell faster too (watch how easy it will be to shift the V6 on when it costs £400+ to tax it for example). Once it's a couple of years older and worth less, and therefore attracting buyers with a little less money at their disposal, it will be hard to shift on as the running costs will be astronomical.
Bottom line?
The OP knows what he wants, and to suggest anything but is ignoring the question he asked in the first place. You may as well be suggesting an MX5, as he doesn't want one of those either.