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Modern day CPU reviews and what is wrong with them.

I can't remember the last time I played a game when the computer wasn't doing something else, I mean I have dual/triple monitor setup so that would just be a waste, normally have one screen with a browser open, and sometimes a third with full screen Netflix etc, if I am playing Civ or something equally none response sensitive. Not that I actually play many games TBH, I am firmly in the 'My computer is for making money and doing useful stuff' camp. :)
 
haszek said:
Sad is that majority of people have GPU on the lower end (rx460-480 level) and for them CPU doesn't matter in gaming, but they go to read reviews, look at the graph and assume that they have to have i7 7700 to have ultimate results in gaming.
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Yep. If my Westmere chip can handle an RX 480 without bottlenecking there really is no benefit to be gained from the better single threaded performance of an i7-7700K compared to Ryzen, which is otherwise better. But, you know, gotta make those 1080 Ti @ 1080p low settings benchmarks so people just think "Intel is better for gaming". It's rather more nuanced than that but I guess people don't have the time or inclination to do more research than reading headlines and 1 or 2 crappy graphs.

Rroff said:
I take my gaming relatively seriously - don't like anything that might kick in and degrade performance or as occasionally happens throw up a alert box infront of the game, etc. with the way Windows works even with 24324234 cores if something gets busy it can still kill system performance anyhow - especially if it is crashing IO heavily in sporadic bursts.
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The fact that Windows allows any application to minimise a fullscreen application is ridiculous, especially itself (update reboot notifications, I'm looking at you).
 
woppy101 said:
Got to love the fanboy, there a no prices out yet but he is still trying to justify his point with made up prices
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What he says is actually correct historically, if Intel bring the new chip in at a higher price point it will be a colossal break with form and shatter a decade of precedent.
 
ubersonic said:
What he says is actually correct historically, if Intel bring the new chip in at a higher price point it will be a colossal break with form and shatter a decade of precedent.
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Except of course that is not true, a decade ago they released the Q6600, which was the first mainstream (not Extreme) Desktop Quad Core, so a new generation of chip, and that was $851. I would say that going from a Quad to Hex should not bring such an extreme price increase but Intel have never been known for their value for money, or generosity. :)
 
I'll just upgrade slightly behind the curve as always, much better value, in 5 years time hex cores will be more supported by games, and be a more reasonable price.
 
ubersonic said:
What he says is actually correct historically, if Intel bring the new chip in at a higher price point it will be a colossal break with form and shatter a decade of precedent.
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Huh? Bringing out a hex core mainstream chip is a colossal break with form and shatters a decade of precedent. The reason their top mainstream SKUs have all been around the same price is because they are all 4c/8t chips since 2009. Hell, back then the top mainstream SKU was over $550.
 
DragonQ said:
Huh? Bringing out a hex core mainstream chip is a colossal break with form and shatters a decade of precedent.
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The last big transition from 4c4t to 4c8t didn't effect prices much, the first gen i7's came in at Q9650 pricing, the i5 came in at dual core pricing.

If the new mainstream hex is noticeably pricier than the 7700K it will be a break with form/precedent.
 
Also the hexcores on x99 have been as low as 320 pound.

So there's certainly reason to expect the hex mainstream to be around 350 dollars - 400 dollars.
 
Razor Time said:
No its not, UK release price is £269 for the 4770K. Price listed at top of review. :)

https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/01/intel-core-i7-4770k-cpu-review/1



4790K was £259:

https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2014/06/19/intel-core-i7-4790k-devil-s-canyon-review/1
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Then the 8 thread i7's have gone up 40% since then....

That's really the price we should be comparing, the 7700K is £350, not £250.

Plus, with that level of 'Intel inflation' what makes you think the new 12 thread i7's would be priced like older 8 thread i7's? the 7700K has the same number of threads as the 4770K, Intel + some market forces still slapped £100 onto of its price.
 
He means when it was released, but that was due to the stronger £:$ :)

EDIT: OH, the 7700K is about £290-300 if you use the internet.
 
ljt said:
Exactly! People seem to dismiss the value for money variable that is important to a lot of people.

It's the same mentality in the GPU section too. Some people just can't seem to fathom that COST is a massive factor to most people.

In my latest upgrade I was on a i5 3570k 4c/4t cpu. The nearest upgrade on intels side with at the very least more threads was the i7 7700k at £350.

To me £350 on a 4c/8t cpu for games is ridiculously overpriced. So I went with a AMD R5 1600 which will play the exact same games perfectly fine for over £100 less. I also get the added benefit of 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads over a £350 intel cpu, and saved money in the process.

We are not all after the bleeding edge performance when it comes to playing video games. If a product offers 90% of the performance of the 7700k for less than 75% of the cost then I'll take that every time
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You probably saved some coin on the chipset (AM4 vs Z270) as well.

Yesterday I advised someone who had a hefty 2K budget for a new build to with a 1600 over a 7700K as the £100 saving would mean getting a 1080Ti instead of 1080. He was going to game a 1440p on some fancy 165hz screen and said he was leaning towards the Intel platform but to me it seems ridiculous that giving up all that extra GPU grant just for brand loyalty.
 
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As you can see Intel haven't jacked the prices up on the mainstream but some how they have risen, even if you take away the effects of Brexit. The X99 platform however has gone up on Intels side.
 
@Razor Time You can say the same thing 3 times is a row but it still misses the point, they don't cost £250 today, they cost £350, you have to base your pricing on today, not 2013, we are not in 2013.

The cheapest 6 core Intel do right now is £430, it may come down to £400 when it comes to the mainstream platform, but don't bank on it as Intel have never lowerd the price per thread, this would be a first.

The 5820K was a blip, it didn't last, that too went up from £380 to £430 before going out of production, the 6800K just replaced it at the same price the 5820K ended.
 
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