Modern day CPU reviews and what is wrong with them.

[humbug]

Not technically true anymore, as the new Kaby Lake Pentiums now have 2c/2t.

The Pentium's are not i3's, they are i3's in the same way AMD's Athlon 860K is an FX-4300.... they ain't, for a start both have no L3, they are also missing several instruction sets.

The Pentium's are cheaper than the i3's because they are not i3's.

Edit... the G4400 is also 2C 2T.... https://ark.intel.com/products/88179/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4400-3M-Cache-3_30-GHz
If thats what you are talking about?

 

[Journey]

Intel G4560, and for some reason you are showing 2c/2t. and it was 2c/4t

Edit: The difference between the i3 7100 and the Pentium G4560 is Optane support and TXE, and obviously the slightly lower clock speed.

 

[humbug]

Intel G4560, and for some reason you are showing 2c/2t. and it was 2c/4t

Edit: The difference between the i3 7100 and the Pentium G4560 is Optane support and TXE, and obviously the slightly lower clock speed.

Lets start from the top. you said:

Not technically true anymore, as the new Kaby Lake Pentiums now have 2c/2t

Is that a typo on your part? they are actually 2c 4t.

And the previous Pentium was also 2c 4t, yes?

So what was technically not true? they are both 4 threads, no?

The previous one being the G4400, the one i linked, which you just said has 4 threads.

 

[Journey]

I was referring to your quote of my post, for some reason it showed 2c/2t, not 2c/4t which is what I wrote.

Yes the older Skylake G4400 is 2c/2t, and the newer Kaby Lake Pentium is now the same as an i3 2c/4t. Pheewww.

The original correction was pointed at the person who said Intel have never reduced the cost of threads

 

[humbug]

I was referring to your quote of my post, for some reason it showed 2c/2t, not 2c/4t which is what I wrote.

Yes the older Skylake G4400 is 2c/2t, and the newer Kaby Lake Pentium is now the same as an i3 2c/4t. Pheewww.

The original correction was pointed at the person who said Intel have never reduced the cost of threads

This is the link, https://ark.intel.com/products/88179/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4400-3M-Cache-3_30-GHz you said "Intel G4560, and for some reason you are showing 2c/2t"

Thats where the confusion started, the CPU in that link is not the G4560 its the G4400.
When you said earlier.... "Not technically true anymore, as the new Kaby Lake Pentiums now have 2c/2t" i assumed you meant, well, just what you said, that was a typo on your part and because that Typo was "2t" the Intel-ark link for the G4400 also being 2t...... you can see what happened here....

 

[Martini1991]

There are 2c 4t Pentium which makes your statement incorrect humbug, they're at a cheaper price point.

Also. Dollar pricing matters, pound pricing doesn't.

In which the i7's and i5's haven't risen bar inflation for the mainstream platforms bar from the 2600K.

 

[humbug]

Of course Pound pricing matters, our currency is in pounds..... ^^^^

There are 2c 4t Pentium which makes your statement incorrect humbug.

Also. Dollar pricing matters, pound pricing doesn't.

Good Grief, no, i know, read above you ^^^^

 

[Martini1991]

Good Grief, no, i know, read above you ^^^^

The 2c 4t Pentium were introduced cheaper than the i3's. Which means they lowered the price entry point for 4 threads. This goes against what you said.

 

[Martini1991]

Pound pricing doesn't matter because products are priced in dollars not pounds.

You can't say a product has risen in price if it changed price because of currency devaluation for example.

 

[humbug]

The 2c 4t Pentium were introduced cheaper than the i3's. Which means they lowered the price entry point for 4 threads. This goes against what you said.

The Pentiums are cheaper because they are not i3's.

Given that we are not expecting Intel's 6 core i7 to be striped out of L3 and some instruction sets compared with the 4 core i7's those semantics are really just playing on semantics.

 

[Martini1991]

The Pentiums are cheaper because they are not i3's.

Given that we are not expecting Intel's 6 core i7 to be striped out of L3 and some instruction sets compared with the 4 core i7's those semantics are really just playing on semantics.

You're the one who said Intel have never lowered the price for more threads. They have.

You're the one changing the goal posts when you've been caught making up your own history.

 

[humbug]

You're the one who said Intel have never lowered the price for more threads. They have.

You're the one changing the goal posts when you've been caught making up your own history.

Really? Your talking to me about Goal Posts? Intel are not going to make a 12 thread Pentium. your the one moving goal posts, its not going to happen.

And by the way, The Pentium was not a cheaper i3, it was a replacement for the Celeron, that type of chip from Intel have always existed, they just changed the name of it. It was there before the i3....

 

[Martini1991]

Really? Your talking to me about Goal Posts? Intel are not going to make a 12 thread Pentium. your the one moving goal posts, its not going to happen.

What even is this.

They lowered the price point of 4 threads.
It's that simple. You said they never have.

You're then arguing semantics.

 

[humbug]

What even is this.

They lowered the price point of 4 threads.
It's that simple. You said they never have.

You're then arguing semantics.

By striping performance and functionality out, its a different CPU, you are playing on semantics, you are right but and i should have know you would you would find away like this to argue just for the sake of argument.

You are off the left field with this crap, we are talking about the price of 6 core i7's, 2 core Celeron replacements don't come into it, unless you are saying Intel will strip out the L3 ecte... to make them cheaper, you're not, that would be daft.

You are not actually suggesting Intel will strip the L3 out of i7's, so don't use that yard stick, i would say it makes you look confused but i know you know exactly what you are doing.

 

[Razor Time]

@Razor Time You can say the same thing 3 times is a row but it still misses the point, they don't cost £250 today, they cost £350, you have to base your pricing on today, not 2013, we are not in 2013.

The cheapest 6 core Intel do right now is £430, it may come down to £400 when it comes to the mainstream platform, but don't bank on it as Intel have never lowerd the price per thread, this would be a first.

The 5820K was a blip, it didn't last, that too went up from £380 to £430 before going out of production, the 6800K just replaced it at the same price the 5820K ended.

All I have done is post up the correct pricing for chips you seemed to think were more expensive than they really were ie the 4770K. I have also pointed out that prices recently have risen but in some part on the mainstream platform its not Intel's doing but the supply chain.

As for the 5820k it spent most of its life around the £300 mark or less and only rose in price when it became EOL and replaced by the more expensive 6800k.


https://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?pu=2782208

I picked up my 6800K for a touch under £400 from ocuk at the beginning of the year and it can be had by a reputable seller for under £400 if you so wish. The 7700k can be had for £320-325, yes you can pay more but its always like this with hardware, shop about.

Yes prices have gone up and its not great, no denying that. As for what Intel will charge for the 6 core mainstream platform I don't think anyone knows, but its probably not going to be more than what they are charging now for the 6800k and might even be around what the 7700K is. No one knows and its not really worth arguing about, do that when it happens mate.

Anyway this is all off the original topic you started.

 

[humbug]

Spoiler: atempt #4

All I have done is post up the correct pricing for chips you seemed to think were more expensive than they really were ie the 4770K. I have also pointed out that prices recently have risen but in some part in on the mainstream platform its not Intel's doing but the supply chain.

As for the 5820k is spent most of its life around the £300 mark or less and only rose in price when it became EOL and replaced by the more expensive 6800k.


https://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?pu=2782208

I picked up my 6800K for a touch under £400 from ocuk at the beginning of the year and it can be had by a reputable seller for under £400 if you so wish. The 7700k can be had for £320-325, yes you can pay more but its always like this with hardware, shop about.

Yes prices have gone up and its not great, no denying that. As for what Intel will charge for the 6 core mainstream platform I don't think anyone knows, but its probably not going to be more than what they are charging now for the 6800k and might even be around what the 7700K is. No one knows and its not really worth arguing about, do that when it happens mate.

Correct for the past, we are not talking about the past, these chips have yet to launch.

We live in a very different climate now. for a start the £ to $ ratio is not 1.7 anymore.

 

[Martini1991]

The pound is well down, so in the past 100 pound was like 145 dollars

Whereas now is 129, previously this year its been 120.

So that all affects us without official price rises.

Ryzen for example has recently benefitted from a better exchange rate, albeit not as much as it would had ryzen launched before June 2016

 

[humbug]

The pound is well down, so in the past 100 pound was like 145 dollars

Whereas now is 129, previously this year its been 120.

So that all affects us without official price rises.

Ryzen for example has recently benefitted from a better exchange rate, albeit not as much as it would had ryzen launched before June 2016

Yes, hopefully it will get better once this election is out of the way....

 

[Martini1991]

Yes, hopefully it will get better once this election is out of the way....

That logic makes little sense given it raised in light of the election.

The pound is hurting because of brexit and the uncertainty, given we are walking into a massive conservative majority with theresa hardcore brexit may, it's probably going to get worse. Then again. It does bring certainty in, although she'd have to make some sort of actual outline on intentions for that.

 

[humbug]

That logic makes little sense given it raised in light of the election.

The pound is hurting because of brexit and the uncertainty, given we are walking into a massive conservative majority with theresa hardcore brexit may, it's probably going to get worse.

Maybe, i don't want to turn this into a politics thread but my theory is actually the reason the £ has gone up a little recently, from $1:24 to $1:30.

The business world likes stability, predictability.... Winning the Election gives May a stronger negotiating position in the EU with the Brexit thing, especially if she wins by a landslide, which its predicted she will, a stronger negotiating position = a better deal for the UK, the markets like that, they like the election happening and they will like the outcome.

I'll say no more about it