Monaco Grand Prix 2013, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

Isn't anyone else bored of the 'look after your tyres' radio mesage after about 5 laps, it's hardly racing.


If it wasn't for the major changes next season I'd be tempted to cancel my sky contract.
 
EVH said:
It's scandalous how both Red Bulls got past Lewis in the SC period. Any word on the delta times they put in once they were released?
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Anthony Davidson did an analysis.
The problem happened when Rosberg was taking his stop.

To prevent "stacking", Hamilton drove ultra slow on his in-lap.
I believe Vettel caught up by around 10-20 seconds in that 1 lap.
It was Hamilton's fault for driving (too) slowly when there was no need - his pit team had already completed Rosberg's pit stop, before Hamilton even made it into the pit lane.

Hamilton screwed up - plain and simple.

When you race against Vettel, you have to be at your absolute best. This is the only way you can beat him. He is "that" good. Sadly for Hamilton, today, he was not at his best.
 
DirtyRaver said:
Isn't anyone else bored of the 'look after your tyres' radio mesage after about 5 laps, it's hardly racing.
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F1 has always been about car management. 20 years ago, you'd be happy if you managed to score points in 10 out of 16 races. Cars were fragile and the driver would have to nurse his car throughout a race.

I agree though, in 2013, tyre management is now at the top of the list. However, like Ferrari did in Spain, teams have the option of pitting more, which would allow them to abuse their tyres. Massa did so in Spain - pitting at will. It worked a treat.

I have no issues with tyre management - its part of F1 and is the same for all drivers/teams.
 
sunama said:
Hamilton screwed up - plain and simple.
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In his defence, I doubt he knew the RBRs had been released. He would have only slowed up like he did if he thought it was ok to do so. But still a schoolboy error to make, and all on his own by the looks of it.

MagicBoy said:
Out of curiosity did Red Bull stack Vettel and Webber? It's slipped my mind...
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Nope. 1 lap apart I think, and quite a few laps before the SC.
 
sunama said:
However, like Ferrari did in Spain, teams have the option of pitting more, which would allow them to abuse their tyres. Massa did so in Spain - pitting at will. It worked a treat.
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Pitting more only works if you can overtake.

DRS has made this trivial in some cases, but at Monaco deliberately doing more stops than your rivals is suicide. As soon as a 1 stop became even slightly possible, it was going to be the strategy everyone went for. Doing more stops and blasting through the field was not and option.

And then at tracks where you can overtake, the retarded tyre allocations prevent it for most teams too.
 
Skeeter said:
Firstly, because the rules say so, and secondly, do you think any F1 team is going to let a non contracted driver drive their car? Of course not.
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If its a 2 year old car - does this really make a difference......

Flibster said:
Statement from the FIA:




So it's in their contract, as long as all teams are offered. Well according to Pirelli, they all were given asked if they would be willing last year, only some teams responded.

The only thing I can see as the problem is the FIA received no further information about all teams being asked...
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(should read previous pages first admittedly)

What it sounds like to me is that the Pirelli offer to all teams initially was a standard tyre test with a 2 year old car (which few responded to , rightly or wrongly). Pirelli then go back to FIA and ask about using a current car (and get that response from the FIIA) and yet don't offer the chance back to all teams, they just go with who responded the first time

It sounds worse and worse to me (although Merc have a get out clause, as they cant be held responsible for what Pirelli do).

It would be interesting to see what the FIA do about the drivers chosen for the test ( the statement doesn't say anything, but this kind of test should be done by a non-active race driver at the very least, if not the Pirelli test driver imo, whether the team/drivers know what types are being tested is irrelevant imo)

The FIA will **** this up further no doubt
 
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Simple solution to this, just bring back the mid-season test and add a day on for forced running of unmarked Pirelli tyres, to be done only by reserve/junior drivers only.
 
just finally getting to watch it on catchup
first thing to note is that suzi perry has her nips poking out hahaha
showing well though her dress :D
 
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sunama said:
Anthony Davidson did an analysis.
The problem happened when Rosberg was taking his stop.

To prevent "stacking", Hamilton drove ultra slow on his in-lap.
I believe Vettel caught up by around 10-20 seconds in that 1 lap.
It was Hamilton's fault for driving (too) slowly when there was no need - his pit team had already completed Rosberg's pit stop, before Hamilton even made it into the pit lane.

Hamilton screwed up - plain and simple.

When you race against Vettel, you have to be at your absolute best. This is the only way you can beat him. He is "that" good. Sadly for Hamilton, today, he was not at his best.
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From what i remember in the race, Hamilton pulled into his pit crew only a few seconds after Rosberg finished his stop. I would say 5 seconds absolute maximum. I would have thought the Red Bulls would have lost far more than 5 seconds by being behind the safety car and driving to a very slow delta....

I just don't see how it could have happened without Red Bull gunning it back round.

Why were the Red Bulls released so early as well? It seems to me that they almost both jumped Rosberg as well!

EDIt - just checked this, it was 5-6 seconds (verified by BBC highlights). Also, Hamilton wasnt even close to being out in front of the Red Bulls. He looked at least 3-4 seconds, if not more, behind when he came out of the pits.How did the Red Bulls do that!!? Watch from 39.50 - 40.30 on the BBC highlights...
 
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sunama said:
Anthony Davidson did an analysis.
The problem happened when Rosberg was taking his stop.

To prevent "stacking", Hamilton drove ultra slow on his in-lap.
I believe Vettel caught up by around 10-20 seconds in that 1 lap.
It was Hamilton's fault for driving (too) slowly when there was no need - his pit team had already completed Rosberg's pit stop, before Hamilton even made it into the pit lane.

Hamilton screwed up - plain and simple.

When you race against Vettel, you have to be at your absolute best. This is the only way you can beat him. He is "that" good. Sadly for Hamilton, today, he was not at his best.
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Do you really think this lot are going to accept he made a mistake :confused::D
 
Hamilton was told to have a six second gap. He said he had a little over that and that's how they got between.


Quote from webber.

"Generally we were just driving around, protecting tyres and waiting for the chequered flag."
 
Skeeter said:
The issue has never been about who was asked. That isn't what RBR or Ferrari protested. Nobody has denied that everyone was asked.

What is being challenged is that Mercedes used a 2013 car, when the regulations on testing state tests outside of official pre season testing and straight line testing must be done in a car over 2 years old.

Everyone else turned it down because they thought it was testing on unknown tyres in 2011 spec cars. Mercedes obviously think 2013 was ok. Had RBR or Ferrari thought the same they would have probably done the test. But now they realise they missed the boat there kicking up a **** storm about it.

Its not about who was or wasn't invited, its about the car they did it in.
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They didn't miss the boat since they were being honest with themselves and knew using their 2013 cars would be illegal, immoral and wrong. There was no "boat", hence the ****storm which has ensued. I expect Mercedes-AMG will be fined heavily.
 
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