More hypocrisy from Sony

SiD the Turtle · 11 Oct 2006 at 11:11

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6159583.html

Sony said:
Ephraim also downplayed the PS3's high cost, saying early adopters were getting a value-for-money, future-proof console. "It is up there, we don't deny that, but you have to realise that PS2 launched at A$749 in Australia. And if you look at inflation alone in the six years since the PS2 launched, and then you add in all the new technology--the cutting-edge technology like Blu-ray and so on in the PS3--it is great value for money," he said.

Sony said:
"I don't see Microsoft shifting those numbers, not even close," he said. "At A$649 [for a 20GB Xbox 360 bundle], there are only so many consumers that have that kind of money. You don't do the mass numbers till you hit a price point--we know that historically from PS2 and PS1 that when they were launched at A$699 and A$749."

So a A$649 360 is not value for money, but even the 'basic' PS3 $A829 is?

*Opens floodgates for fanboys*

cokecan · 11 Oct 2006 at 11:30

lol how can he compare a PS2's original release price and the PS3's release price??

A, its different technology

B, it was six years ago

C, the cost to manufacture and produce this new tech thats in the PS3 will be cheap compared to even a couple of years ago (assuming that the technology was even around then)

also time to defend the 360 lol. granted not everyone has that money for a 20gb 360, but theres an option for the core system. granted that the hdd is desirable but not essential. then theres the great deals and bundles around at the min as well as the mini price drop a few weeks ago

Kohaashi · 11 Oct 2006 at 11:37

I dont think it fair of him to compare prices against 360 when the PS3 isnt released yet.

Right now the 360 has no competition..

Lets wait and see how the 360 price changes when the PS3 is released.

NokkonWud · 11 Oct 2006 at 11:46

SiD the Turtle said:
So a A$649 360 is not value for money, but even the 'basic' PS3 $A829 is?

Thats not hypocrisy, thats just stupidity.

DaveyD · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:29

I do see the PS3 as value for money, the 60GB version, ONLY if you're going to be using all the features, so Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, memory stick, HDMI & Dolby Digital+. For the majority of people out there, I think only one or two of those things will be used, I don't know how many will be used on HDTVs, but there wont be very many people out there with Dolby Digital Plus systems I don't think. This is where the 360 has the advantage, the user has the choice of having to have the extras, whereas Sony force you to have them.

SiD the Turtle · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:30

Perhaps that's true Davey, but I'm just stunned (actually that's a lie, I expect Sony to make arrogant statements now) that they think that people cant afford competitor consoles for a certain amount, but somehow can afford a PS3 which costs a lot more.

KNiVES · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:40

Well the sad thing is; Sony knows it, you know it and I know it - people will buy the PS3 in vast quantities, just because it's a Playstation. The execs really are basking in the glory of this, and they're going to rub this in our faces at every turn and chance they get. You guys will have to accept it. It will sell out.

SiD the Turtle · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:42

True

The Running Man · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:44

DaveyD said:
I do see the PS3 as value for money, the 60GB version, ONLY if you're going to be using all the features, so Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, memory stick, HDMI & Dolby Digital+. For the majority of people out there, I think only one or two of those things will be used, I don't know how many will be used on HDTVs, but there wont be very many people out there with Dolby Digital Plus systems I don't think. This is where the 360 has the advantage, the user has the choice of having to have the extras, whereas Sony force you to have them.

ya. ill be using all those apart from Wifi (mine will be hard plugged into the router), and dolby. but when i move out and get a house i will prob have a dolby system, and the ps3 will be goin with me..

JUMPURS · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:49

DaveyD said:
I do see the PS3 as value for money, the 60GB version, ONLY if you're going to be using all the features, so Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, memory stick, HDMI & Dolby Digital+. For the majority of people out there, I think only one or two of those things will be used, I don't know how many will be used on HDTVs, but there wont be very many people out there with Dolby Digital Plus systems I don't think. This is where the 360 has the advantage, the user has the choice of having to have the extras, whereas Sony force you to have them.

In that respect, for me, i think it is value for money.
I will be using it on an HDTV (Not 1080p though) and looking for a next gen format for movies, will use wireless so to me it is cheap.
If i want to do all the same things with the 360 it would cost me the same/maybe a bit more to bundle them all up. Thats why i wont be buying a HD-DVD drive for my 360, because i will be getting a PS3 so will use Blu-Ray as my format.
If you want to go out get a next gen console, with games which look great (sorry but the closer we get to launch everything is looking good) a next gen media format, wifi, built in play and charge, online multiplayer service, Full backwards compatibility, then the PS3 really is the no brainer IMHO, but each to their own i suppose, some folk just want to play pretty games out on this format and are happy without any bells and whistles, fair play to them, 360 may be for you (but i still think you will need the HD-DVD add-on to play some games during the life of the 360 though)

Tunney · 11 Oct 2006 at 13:09

Xbox 360 Premium + HD-DVD add-on + WiFi adaptor = £468
PS3 Premium (with an extra 40GB of storage) = £425

As long as you're going to make use of all the features then it is good value for money.

Personally, I'm not interested in Blu-ray/HD-DVD on a console and so I won't be buying a PS3 until it reaches what I consider to be a sensible price.

Kohaashi · 11 Oct 2006 at 13:13

Tunney said:
Xbox 360 Premium + HD-DVD add-on + WiFi adaptor = £468
PS3 Premium (with an extra 40GB of storage) = £425

As long as you're going to make use of all the features then it is good value for money.

Personally, I'm not interested in Blu-ray/HD-DVD on a console and so I won't be buying a PS3 until it reaches what I consider to be a sensible price.

When PS3 is out, the 360 with all the gear might be cheaper than the PS3.

Right now the 360 has no competition.

Davey_Pitch · 11 Oct 2006 at 13:43

KNiVES said:
Well the sad thing is; Sony knows it, you know it and I know it - people will buy the PS3 in vast quantities, just because it's a Playstation. The execs really are basking in the glory of this, and they're going to rub this in our faces at every turn and chance they get. You guys will have to accept it. It will sell out.

Given that this forum has a huge number of gamers of all types, ranging from casual to hardcore, it could be said that the forum represents a good example of the gaming public in general. Also given the amount of people on here who have slated the PS3 for either the price, lack of real quality exclusive games (compared to the 360 at least), and general way we've been shafted over the release date, I truly believe that Sony are overestimating just how loyal the consumer fanbase will be. The 360 will have an 18 month lead over it by the time the PS3 gets here, will have tons more games, be more affordable, and is already very well known. The idea that parents will buy little Johnny a PS3 simply due to the name is something I don't think will happen quite so much any more, it will simply be too expensive compared to what you could get for the 360 in the same price range.

~J~ · 11 Oct 2006 at 13:47

Agree with you there DaveyD.

I've been surprised by how many people who I thought were loyal supporters turn round and say they are ******** by Sony. Whether they'll stick to their guns has yet to be seen, but I'd hazard a guess that at least 30% of those supporters have now gone.

alexthecheese · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:21

Not being funny, but I think the Microsoft could do themselves a favour and release the thing in black as well as white

KNiVES · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:22

Davey_Pitch said:
Given that this forum has a huge number of gamers of all types, ranging from casual to hardcore, it could be said that the forum represents a good example of the gaming public in general. Also given the amount of people on here who have slated the PS3 for either the price, lack of real quality exclusive games (compared to the 360 at least), and general way we've been shafted over the release date, I truly believe that Sony are overestimating just how loyal the consumer fanbase will be. The 360 will have an 18 month lead over it by the time the PS3 gets here, will have tons more games, be more affordable, and is already very well known. The idea that parents will buy little Johnny a PS3 simply due to the name is something I don't think will happen quite so much any more, it will simply be too expensive compared to what you could get for the 360 in the same price range.

Yes, but this forum has a lot of people who already own Xbox 360s - me included - and this can be enough to sway perceptions and opinions towards the PS3. People had complained massively about the Xbox 360 core and premium packages before they were released worldwide, and it's doing well right now. Similairly, the PS2 hype was followed by almost as much negativity as the one surrounding the PS3 - everyone knew Sony could not keep their promises on the console (Toy Story graphics ! Emotion Engine !) even before it went out the factory door. Didn't stop the public buying it by the truckload did it?

JUMPURS · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:32

Chadd said:
When PS3 is out, the 360 with all the gear might be cheaper than the PS3.

Highlighted for clarity

and i cant see it being cheaper in 5 weeks time tbh

~J~ said:
I've been surprised by how many people who I thought were loyal supporters turn round and say they are ******** by Sony. Whether they'll stick to their guns has yet to be seen, but I'd hazard a guess that at least 30% of those supporters have now gone.

I admit it i am dissapointed not to get the PS3 launched in the spring this year and dissapointed to not get a Euro release next month, but truth be told i dont feel ********* by sony, they haven't done anything other than be late to release a product, god if i hated a company becuase they released a product late, i wouldnt have a 360 as i would hate MS over the Fiasco that is Vista. They aint my friend, its not like i know them and they owe me anything for buying a PS2 tbh. I bought a PS2 because i liked the system, and the games, wanted a dvd player, basically for my own selfish needs, not because i felt that Sony needed the money or some Faux loyalty for me satisfying myself with hundreds (possibly thousands(?)) of hours of fun. So i struggle to see how i am shafted. Some people take the console thing too seriously and side like a football team or sommit, i just dont get why :confused:

McManicMan · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:34

the thing is the general public who know no better see a xbox360 for £199 or £279 possibly with a game and then they will see a PS3 for £425.

then who's to say MS doesn't even drop the price as and when the PS3 launchs in Europe making it even mor attractive

XPE · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:43

There are a lot of people here assuming that the blu-ray play back will be of a above average quality.

I never read a lot of good things about the dvd play back on the ps2

SiD the Turtle · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:46

JUMPURS said:
Stuff

Without trying to open up the can of worms again, I hate them due to their downright lies, arrogant attitude and the fact that they shaft Europe becase they can't fullfil their promises.