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More Memory Matters - AMD highlights the importance of more vram

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Do you crave the best experiences possible in your games with no expense spared? Are you the type that keeps on top of ‘what is the best GPU’? Do you like to track GPU benchmarks and reviews? At this level of PC building, you should have confidence that you are getting the best graphics card for your system and can crank up all the in-game settings in the latest titles for fully immersive gaming. Do you value the increased fidelity you get with high-resolution, high refresh displays? The great news is AMD has some of the best graphics cards for gaming with leadership performance, features, and pricing that will keep your gaming rig future ready.



More Memory Matters

Game studios are launching new titles that are taking full advantage of modern hardware. This shift in the industry enhances your experience with movie-quality textures, complex shaders, and higher resolution outputs, but these new advancements require ample video memory to ensure your games run without a hitch. If you’re building a top-notch gaming rig for 1440p or 4K, you want your graphics card to be equipped with enough video memory (GDDR) to support not only the latest titles but also future games.

Without enough video memory your experience may feel sluggish with lower FPS at key moments, more frequent pop-in of textures, or – in the worst cases – game crashes. You can always fine tune the in-game graphics settings to find the right balance of performance, but with more video memory you are less likely to have to make these compromises. For this enthusiast build, we recommend graphics cards with at least 16GB of video memory for ultimate 1440p and 4K gaming. For more mid-range graphics that are targeting 1440p, AMD Radeon™ offers 12GB GPUs that are excellent for QHD displays. Check out this post for more information.

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RavenXXX2 said:
Do you crave the best experiences possible in your games with no expense spared? Are you the type that keeps on top of ‘what is the best GPU’? Do you like to track GPU benchmarks and reviews? At this level of PC building, you should have confidence that you are getting the best graphics card for your system and can crank up all the in-game settings in the latest titles for fully immersive gaming. Do you value the increased fidelity you get with high-resolution, high refresh displays? The great news is AMD has some of the best graphics cards for gaming with leadership performance, features, and pricing that will keep your gaming rig future ready.



More Memory Matters

Game studios are launching new titles that are taking full advantage of modern hardware. This shift in the industry enhances your experience with movie-quality textures, complex shaders, and higher resolution outputs, but these new advancements require ample video memory to ensure your games run without a hitch. If you’re building a top-notch gaming rig for 1440p or 4K, you want your graphics card to be equipped with enough video memory (GDDR) to support not only the latest titles but also future games.

Without enough video memory your experience may feel sluggish with lower FPS at key moments, more frequent pop-in of textures, or – in the worst cases – game crashes. You can always fine tune the in-game graphics settings to find the right balance of performance, but with more video memory you are less likely to have to make these compromises. For this enthusiast build, we recommend graphics cards with at least 16GB of video memory for ultimate 1440p and 4K gaming. For more mid-range graphics that are targeting 1440p, AMD Radeon™ offers 12GB GPUs that are excellent for QHD displays. Check out this post for more information.

More at link below.


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Are YOU an Enthusiast? Do you crave the best experiences possible in your games with no expense spared? Are you the type that keeps on top of ‘what is the best GPU’? Do you like to track GPU benchmarks and reviews? At this level of PC building, you should have confidence that you are getting...
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rare said:
I was honestly just thinking to myself the one thing we haven’t had in a while is a good old fashioned discussion about vram.
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its amazing what happens when you lock one thread about it another takes its place, maybe let people have a discussion on a discussion forum instead of locking it and just post ban the regulars going off the rails and if they go too far ban their 10k+ comment account from the forum entirely instead of locking stuff down
 
Alt0153 said:
its amazing what happens when you lock one thread about it another takes its place, maybe let people have a discussion on a discussion forum instead of locking it and just post ban the regulars going off the rails and if they go too far ban their 10k+ comment account from the forum entirely instead of locking stuff down
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I don’t disagree - there couldn’t be a more relevant discussion at the
moment when it comes to GPU’s.

Let the people have what they want haha.
 
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In before this one gets locked...
(Have to say that getting threads locked seems to be the MO of certain posters here.)

This was always going be a huge factor. Only 8GB on an otherwise fast card like the 3070 was always a joke, the 10GB 3080 even worse.

Of course, the serial upgraders were not going to be affected as they have moved on already, but I wouldn't take my buying advice from them.
 
SpellowHouse said:
I think it's become a really strong selling point for AMD....ever since NVIDIA has become really mean with ram.
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Not sure I would say "selling point" as they still aren't selling as well as nvidia gpus :p More a "marketing point" though but that may turn into "selling points" if more games are released in poor state for pc.... It's pretty much the only real strength amd have over nvidia hence why there is so much activity around this, much like other areas where amd have been ahead in the past e.g. dx 12, vulkan/mantle

RavenXXX2 said:
I don't know why the mods lock the threads, it's about an important aspect of todays GPUs that even the likes of AMD are brining to the forefront. Is it is fans of a certain GPU company reporting them?
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Problem is when people post certain things that are either false/misleading to suit a narrative then when called out on it, they get their panties in a twist, that's when the discussion goes to ****, that and one liner comments that add nothing to the discussion other than the entire purpose being to bait/troll and I wouldn't say they classify as "banter" either.

Alt0153 said:
its amazing what happens when you lock one thread about it another takes its place, maybe let people have a discussion on a discussion forum instead of locking it and just post ban the regulars going off the rails and if they go too far ban their 10k+ comment account from the forum entirely instead of locking stuff down
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Need one thread purely for vram talk, problem is we had several threads created over the past 1-2 weeks all revolving around vram then you also have existing threads all being about vram talk.


It will be interesting to see what nvidia do though as it is certainly in the spotlight now with it "trending", best case scenario, they release a refresh with more vram but you just know they will charge a **** ton more for those gpus....
 
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vram and gpu performance go hand in hand to me, you need the power and vram capacity to play games going forward without slamming into the boundary of one much faster compared to the other
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This.

3090, 6900xt, 6800xt is a good showcase of too much vram but not enough grunt
3070 is a good showcase of grunt but not enough vram

Really wish we got direct storage already and good implementations just to see how much this will change the vram landscape as in theory, everything points towards it removing/reducing the issues the likes of the 3070 experience in games such as the last of us, maybe next year we'll see pc games with that....
 
KompuKare said:
In before this one gets locked...
(Have to say that getting threads locked seems to be the MO of certain posters here.)

This was always going be a huge factor. Only 8GB on an otherwise fast card like the 3070 was always a joke, the 10GB 3080 even worse.

Of course, the serial upgraders were not going to be affected as they have moved on already, but I wouldn't take my buying advice from them.
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How's it even worse when it doesn't show/exhibit the same issues as the 3070? :confused: For it to be even worse, it has to actually be doing worse than the 3070, which it isn't.....

Funny thing is, most of the ones with 4090s had 3090s before, so much for all that vram providing longevity..... :p :cry:
 
rare said:
I don’t disagree - there couldn’t be a more relevant discussion at the
moment when it comes to GPU’s.

Let the people have what they want haha.
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Okay back on topic this was a video posted today by HUB too regarding all this.. I also like Steve's reasoning why cards by Nvidia are not getting so much VRAM because it cannibalises their pro cards.. Basically the pro card is the same as the gaming card and only real hardware difference is the VRAM amount that is keeping Nvidia selling the Pro cards and of course the pro drivers if needed but most pro users don't need them, myself included but again we pay for them.



It's even trending all the time on twitter is VRAM and Reddit and other social media, because people are becoming aware of the issues of suddenly now not having enough of it, years ago we use to have same cards with two memory sizes was pretty normal and people would recommend to get the cheaper version the one normally that has half the vram.. as reality was then, you would run out of grunt before vram on the games back then, these days not so true that statement because gpus are very powerful now but sadly not enough vram on some of them for newer titles to enjoy them at their full with the gpu grunt on tap.

Anyways this thread will get the chop again as the others as they all turn into off topic chat or AMD VS NVIDIA..
 
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I hope this one stays. This is a very important conversation that needs to be had.

A very small number of people keep managing to get these threads locked because of their own behaviour, that is the strategy. Please don't shut down this conversation because of a couple of people deliberately derailing and trolling these threads. :)
 
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Okay back on topic this was a video posted today by HUB too regarding all this.. I also like Steve's reasoning why cards by Nvidia are not getting so much VRAM because it cannibalises their pro cards.. Basically the pro card is the same as the gaming card and only real hardware difference is the VRAM amount that is keeping Nvidia selling the Pro cards and of course the pro drivers if needed but most pro users don't need them, myself included but again we pay for them.



It's even trending all the time on twitter is VRAM and Reddit and other social media, because people are becoming aware of the issues of suddenly now not having enough of it, years ago we use to have same cards with two memory sizes was pretty normal and people would recommend to get the cheaper version the one normally that has half the vram.. as reality was then, you would run out of grunt before vram on the games back then, these days not so true that statement because gpus are very powerful now but sadly not enough vram on some of them for newer titles to enjoy them at their full with the gpu grunt on tap.

Anyways this tread will get the chop again as the others as they all turn into of topic chat or AMD VS NVIDIA..
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Don't disagree that vram is proving more worthwhile now in "certain" situations but problem is still people thinking it is 100% down to lack of vram and nothing else at play i.e. ignoring that developers aren't doing as good of a job at optimising for pc as they could or rather optimising/tuning to work to the way PC handles vram and system ram etc.

- in TLOU, it should not be ******** the bed at 1080p
- in TLOU, it should not be running worse on an equivalent console specced pc
- basing this on what are fundamentally broken/poorly ported games as proven by experts on the matter like Alex does and many other sites which point out the issues thus thinking that it is perfectly ok to spend a **** ton more money on gpus with 16+GB vram just to "avoid/brute force" the issues..... Out of the games Steve tested (to show where 3070 has issues), the only ones I would say that are well optimised is plague tale requirem, not sure on callisto but wasn't there a **** ton of issues with its performance? RE 4, I've seen people with 4090s also reporting crashes so not sure vram is the 100% root cause here

Yes nvidia should be providing more vram going forward but lets not just point fingers at them but also at the developersfor doing poor jobs of porting to pc, maybe then those with large vram pools will actually get a worthwhile benefit in visuals over those with lower vram amounts other than just to avoid "issues".

humbug said:
I hope this thread stays. This is a very important conversation that needs to be had.

A very small number of people keep managing to get these threads locked because of their own behaviour, that is the strategy. Please don't shut down this conversation because of a couple of people derailing and trolling these threads. :)
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It is posts like these that add nothing to the discussion..... When you get called out or pointed out that you're wrong, it's you who loses your **** and puts people on ignore or/and you stop updating threads because amd have been called out on something....
 
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