More teacher strikes

So they asked the teachers how many extra hours they worked and they said lots. Funny that's the same answer I give my boss :D

If the job is that crap find another one. Same goes for any job.
 
Judgeneo said:
Average UK graduate salary: £29,900
Average teaching salary: £32,500

Add in their extra holiday, and teachers are hardly poorly paid for their effort.
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I think that's **** money for the training qualifications and responsibilty tbh. The extra money they get over graduate money would be eaten up taking holidays in peak time :D
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Yes, and the law profession rewards that time and effort in the salary they have.
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Well, if you want more money then pick a profession that pays more?

Is it about money?

I am tired of the annual strike, what did they ask for last year? Or the year before that? And the year before that?

Did they not get what they want, I don't get it, did they not secure a payrise that they are happy with from their last strike? What changed in a year? And the year before that? And the year before that?

Unless they think they should've settled for more so now another strike to get more?

It's the same reason every year, long hours, low pay, high pressure. But at the end of the day is about money, if the job pays £100,000 they wouldn't be doing this.

So my suggestion is ask for a package that they are happy with, with an annual % payrise that they are happy with and get it over done with for at least 3 years and stop messing around.
 
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Burnsy2023 said:
Yes, and the law profession rewards that time and effort in the salary they have.
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It doesn't quite work that way in practice, because without the good fortune of having a training contract, you have a ceiling that you would have to bust your bum off to pass.

To undertake an LPC without sponsorship or a guaranteed job lined-up is a serious gamble in this climate IMO. The University of Law seem to be doing quite well out of it mind...
 
Moses said:
Isn't that because 'good' is basically the minimum acceptable level? I mean, 'satisfactory' was the level below that... but, because it was deemed to be a joke, that's now 'requires improvement.

If it goes,

grade 1 (outstanding)
grade 2 (good)
grade 3 (requires improvement)
grade 4 (inadequate)

Of course a school is going to try and push on from good - which is the minimum any parent would deem acceptable... and I hope any teacher would. Obviously grade 2 should be what any school below that aspires to... but, if a school's currently at that level, shirley they should push on..?
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I personally think all schools should be outstanding. If they aren't then the teachers aren't doing either the best they can or aren't fit for the job IMO.

I'm moving to China in a few months to teach in a primary school. When I get back I'm tempted to do a teaching qualification and become a teacher.
 
The vast majority of teachers are incapable of doing anything else (I mean what else can you do with Art History or Sociology?).
This is in the same way many occupations screw the employee due to a lack of options i.e. supermarket managers. They get shafted but will never leave as there is no other option for them. Teachers will never leave.

Whilst SOME teachers do long hours, many are incompetent, a bit thick (FFS learn your/you're when you teach English to kids) and will never ever leave. (Source: Me. I left school in 2004, then same school 2004-2006 6th form). One of the best teachers I ever had was an engineer who married a teacher. He saw the light and decided at age 40 to 'go part time'. He did he his teacher training then taught high school maths and did zero preparation as it is easy for a mechanical engineer with 20 years of experience to teach A-Level maths. He was good at it too - No prep time and the free hours he got given to do so he spent on the internet. Mark books during the lesson.

The rest of the world has had working teams cut in size since 2008, with the others expected to pick up the workload, along with sub-inflation pay-rises.
It is about time teaching is dragged into line with the rest of the UK's workforce.

Teachers have absolutely no idea how good they have it because they have never worked in the real world. I don't think they would even survive in the real world.
The real world has redundancies. The real world has pay cuts. The real world has stressful deadlines. The real world has lower days holiday. The real world has pensions hacked to pieces.
 
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My wife's a teacher. I think she's underpaid compared to what I used to get when I worked for HP. She had more responsibility, longer hours and a more difficult job, but got paid the same as I did. And I was underpaid compared to the industry average in my field.

I wouldn't consider teaching for a paltry £40k but she's applying for an assistant deputy headship position soon so that might make it a bit more bearable.
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
Teachers have absolutely no idea how good they have it because they have never worked in the real world. I don't think they would even survive in the real world.
The real world has redundancies. The real world has pay cuts. The real world has stressful deadlines. The real world has lower days holiday. The real world has pensions hacked to pieces.
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Seriously?! You don't think that teachers have stressful deadlines? You don't think teachers can be laid off? 2/3 of my holidays I spend planning for the next term, not to mention being in school teaching the students who haven't done so well.
 
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