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Burnsy..?
I can't be bothered to go through it, but suffice to say there's plenty of issues.
More teacher strikes
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I can't be bothered to go through it, but suffice to say there's plenty of issues.
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Sure, carry on with your casual racism and see where it gets you.
You seem to be one of those people that will always vote for the Tory Party no matter how terrible that party might be, therefore, to intelligent and objective people, your opinion counts for literally nothing. Sorry.
Those holidays though, end thread 
...plus they are not particular long hours even when added up with home working. If you took from total hours those crazy long holidays then I suspect it's not actually that long hours at all
...plus they are not particular long hours even when added up with home working. If you took from total hours those crazy long holidays then I suspect it's not actually that long hours at all
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Most people work 9-5 and have 30 minutes for lunch. Teachers work from 9-3:30 and have an hour for lunch. 2 hours is enough time to lesson plan and mark.
They get much more holiday time than most jobs. If anything they should be working more.
Besides that there shouldn't be unions and they shouldn't strike. Most teachers come straight from Uni and have never worked for a private ccompany. They don't understand what working full time is. They have it easy.
They get much more holiday time than most jobs. If anything they should be working more.
Besides that there shouldn't be unions and they shouldn't strike. Most teachers come straight from Uni and have never worked for a private ccompany. They don't understand what working full time is. They have it easy.
Agreed.
Well you can't as a fair bit off that is not Holliday.
If you can get into a private school you are generally laughing, where the pay is good, less stressful kids and better holidays. Trouble is it's limited places, unlike innercity schools.
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Most people I now work 8-5:30/6 and will frequently have a working lunch or stay later!
I don'tknow anyone who works as little as 9-5, 8:30 -5pm wihtout any lunch break perhaps.
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Average 55 hours for a secondary teacher, so for six hours of lessons in a day they spend five hour preparing them?
I am not convinced.
At least not given the class of teacher I had at my school. Most were excellent, and had some years of experience. I can understand a lesson plan taking time, but year on year the same things need to be taught, so lesson plans should build into a portfolio over time. An excellent teacher with years of experience will barely need one.
Coursework etc takes time to review and mark, but again I am not convinced this happens all year round.
I assume these hourly averages are for term time only and not vacation and half term time, or have they done something mishy mashy with the figures.
A fair bit is spent in traiing and prep but a vast majority of the summer break will be spent on vacation, plus they always get a trip at christmas, Easter, half terms.
I was very jealous of some of my teachers who got on so many ski trips. One teacher was a ski nut like myself and would spend most o the summer in New Zealand, spend october week at Tignes or Austria on the glaciers, get at least 7-10 days at Christmas, February week then 1-2 weeks at Easter.
Made me really want to be a teacher - except he has to put up with spotty teenagers.
Your living in dream land. That isn't a normal teacher by any stretch.
Now try taking inner city school child in trips and it's won't be anything so extravagant. There's also a lot of pretty much unpaid. If they do extra circuit stuff, they get an extra 1-2k somewhere around there, but then they commit their own time to weekends etc and isn't worth the money at all.
Now try taking inner city school child in trips and it's won't be anything so extravagant. There's also a lot of pretty much unpaid. If they do extra circuit stuff, they get an extra 1-2k somewhere around there, but then they commit their own time to weekends etc and isn't worth the money at all.
I was actually writing a reply then I stopped... don't feed the trolls.
People have this idea that teachers only work when their kids are at school. That's not true at all. Teachers get in earlier, work later, are working during holidays, and inevitably take work home with them for the week nights and weekends. They are down to work from 9-5:30, they don't go home when the kids do. The schools are open during the holidays, and staff are there working. Sure they have their holidays to take the same as everyone else, and when my wife was teaching, she was not allowed to take holidays in term time, so of course her holidays would coincide with the student's holidays, but she had many less days off than the kids did. No wonder teachers are ****ed at Gove wanting them to become babysitters instead of teachers with this dumb idea that teachers only work the same hours as the kids are there.
When my wife taught for about five years, she was often dealing with older students who don't want to be there and just see it as an easy way to keep claiming benefits, and an administration who kept putting unsuitable people on courses so they could keep getting paid by the government. She taught about 30 contact hours in a week, and still did course planning and marking for another 20-30. Every time she got one course sorted, she was moved to something else and had to do it all over. Over five years, in a team of about seven, there was a turnover of 25 members of staff. They burnt her out (despite paying to have her get her full teaching qualifications), and she left the profession and is much happier now.
My wife is still a great teacher, and trainees are constantly telling her how much they've learned from her and how great it's been for them working under her. The teaching profession lost her pretty much because of the hours, and how the workload follows you home and gives no chance for a break.
When my wife taught for about five years, she was often dealing with older students who don't want to be there and just see it as an easy way to keep claiming benefits, and an administration who kept putting unsuitable people on courses so they could keep getting paid by the government. She taught about 30 contact hours in a week, and still did course planning and marking for another 20-30. Every time she got one course sorted, she was moved to something else and had to do it all over. Over five years, in a team of about seven, there was a turnover of 25 members of staff. They burnt her out (despite paying to have her get her full teaching qualifications), and she left the profession and is much happier now.
My wife is still a great teacher, and trainees are constantly telling her how much they've learned from her and how great it's been for them working under her. The teaching profession lost her pretty much because of the hours, and how the workload follows you home and gives no chance for a break.
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To answer the OP, I'd believe those figures.
My girlfriend is a primary school (year 2) teacher and gets to school at 7:30, leaves at 4:30 and is up until 9/10pm doing work EVERY night of the week.
Saturday evening is her down time and she's been known to do marking if there's a lot going on. I honestly didn't realise how much work teachers did outside of work until I got with her, but I couldn't do it.
The "but you get 6 weeks off every summer" thing winds her up no end though
My girlfriend is a primary school (year 2) teacher and gets to school at 7:30, leaves at 4:30 and is up until 9/10pm doing work EVERY night of the week.
Saturday evening is her down time and she's been known to do marking if there's a lot going on. I honestly didn't realise how much work teachers did outside of work until I got with her, but I couldn't do it.
The "but you get 6 weeks off every summer" thing winds her up no end though
Teaching is a damn hard job - most deserve double what they get and some deserve a whole lot less. I personally don't blame them for trying to get a better deal but I think they also need to appreciate there are public sector workers who have a far worse deal than they do.