Moronic cyclists

Akira said:
I wouldn't do that because some mad bugger wouldn't see me and I'd get run over. agw_01 was perfectly justified in beeping at those riders. For that he should be harassed, the cyclists knowing that should any damage occur to either party the courts will blame the driver? You cyclists are as bad as the hoodies that hang around my local off-licence as far as I'm concerned, you know the law is on your side and you play up to it. Bicycles should be on the pavements or on cycle lanes which a cycle tax should pay for.

The law doesn't come into it.

If I get hit by a car, I WILL DIE.

Someone tries to barge me off the road, reverses into me, blah blah, I don't do anything about it, law wise. I just ride more defensively in future. I don't play up to anything, I just look out for myself when I'm on the road.

You seem to have gotten the impression that I ride around like some sort of thug ignoring all road laws and being a hoodlum - that's not true, but when some nutcase nearly kills you, and it's not even remotely your fault, the temper rises.

Akira said:
Good for you, Adam.

You just congratulated him for breaking the law.

Don't be such a hypocrite.

I bet you moan when someone cycles past you on the pavement too.
 
Adam_151 said:
i'll use the pavement and just be careful of predestrians, most will let you past

lol, this reminded me of a couple of years ago. I was cycling quite happily on the pavement (my mum had told me not to ride on the roads, I was 15 at the time I think).

Anyway, I came up to two old ladies taking up the whole of the pavement :rolleyes:

I kindly said "excuse me please" to which one of them moved out of the way while the other shouted "NO! You should use the road".

How I didn't turn round and shout something back I don't know.
 
Tesco said:
Amazing how many idiots think they can go through red lights and they dont have to take any notice of them...morons.

That is my only issue with cyclists, and in this instance I am talking as a pedestrian. I work in London and have had a few run-ins with cyclists who have rode through a red light when I am using a pedestrian crossing. I even "pushed" one guy once to stop him riding into me(he didnt crash,just shouted abuse :rolleyes: )

Everyday I see them creeping the red lights even at very busy junctions. Problem is that cyclists are seen as green/eco-warrier/save the planet types and will always be treated favourably by society. The first thing you hear people say when a cyclist is involved in an accident is it must have been the car drivers fault.

It was pleasing to see the Police exonerated the car driver very quickly in that awful tragedy in North Wales.
 
Mohinder said:
You just congratulated him for breaking the law.

Don't be such a hypocrite.

I bet you moan when someone cycles past you on the pavement too.

And you didn't break the law when you obstructed the passage of a driver you felt had wronged you by casting dangerous soundwaves in your direction? I've never complained about anybody riding on the pavement except for those nutters that fly full pelt through town, scattering people. In my opinion the speed differential is what it comes down to. Keep bikes on the pavement where they're safer, and cars on the road that they paid for.
 
Akira said:
And you didn't break the law when you obstructed the passage of a driver you felt had wronged you by casting dangerous soundwaves in your direction?

He nearly barged my mate off the road. He endangered my life. To be honest he's lucky that's all he got.

Call me a keyboard warrior if you will, I don't really care.

As I've said time and time again half the complaints you whingeing motorists have can be written off as exercises in self preservation on our part.

I've said all I need to say in this thread to be honest.
 
Fair play, good banter anyway.
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When I used to ride bicycle in Canada, the only problem I had with motorists were the idiots that didn't seem to understand that bicycles have as much right to being on the road as cars do.

Yes, bicycles are subject to the rules of the road just like any motorised vehicle, and as such are also free to use the road in the same manner.

Now there's a couple caveats to throw in there. Just like an extremely slow moving vehicle (like a tractor), a bicycle should make every effort to allow motorised traffic to pass. But not at the risk of endangering themselves. Just like the rules of the water, the vehicle with the greater speed and horsepower capability MUST give way to the slower/less powerful. It seems ludicrous, but an ocean going tanker HAS to give way to a sailboat. In the same way that a car MUST give way to a bicycle. Of course, there's quite a bit of common sense on both parts that needs to be taken into account.

The major reason I never had much problem was because when I rode, I was staying with traffic, occasionally actually passing, too. 35mph wasn't even a strain for me. I had been pulled over doing 55mph in a 45mph zone once. Granted, it was downhill, but anyways....... :p

In town on 30mph streets, I was in the centre of the lane, just like a motorcycle would be. You wouldn't believe the number of times I was subject to abuse by motorists, "Get on the sidewalk where you belong!!". To which my reply was, "Read the rules of the road. I am EXACTLY where I'm supposed to be. YOU are the one that's wrong!!"

The only real problem I had was people pulling out onto the road or turning off the road directly in front of me like I wasn't even there. SO, so many times I was very glad I was blessed with my father's drill instructor voice and had opera training!! Regardless of traffic, pedestrians, music on in thier car, it didn't matter. If I let fly with, "WTF are you doing?!?!?!" at the top of my lungs, EVERYBODY for two city blocks heard me. Including the butthead in the car. And when I came to a stop with my foot on thier door handle after almost standing the bike on its front wheel, I would continue the verbal tirade until they understood that as a cyclist, you try to kill me, I pretty much have every right in the world to yell at you!! You don't like it? Don't drive a car until you understand that cyclists have the right of way and have EVERY right to be on the roads just like cars.


Now, a caveat of my own here, the three in the original post were complete idiots. As I said a few paragraphs ago, common sense should prevail. And those three morons obviously had NONE between them.
 
Just to throw anpther annoyance into the mix, I am a very keen road cyclist, and often drive tractors with top speeds of 21mph on main roads.

There is little difference as far as i am concerned. in the tractor if there is somewhere safe to let people pass then i will use it. Let me make this clear; often small lay by's are NOT safe. Yes i can get my tractor and load in there, but if say its a large trailor of bales then unless i can get my nose RIGHT out into the road i cannot see to get back out again.

Cycling is similar, safe places you will always see me trying to get out of the way. Unsafe places I will cycle along at 20mph double file and you'll have to wait. Its up to me what i deem unsafe.

I live in oxford, and I must say i am not backing up the morons who ride with no lights and no consideration.

The guys who were originally criticised sounded like club memebers who would be very experienced in road riding.
 
There are many terrible cyclists and many terrible drivers.

You lot are (I assume) good drivers and good cyclists, each ranting about the bad versions of the other side. Not at each other.

I wish that every driver should try and do a full week of commuter-cycling and realised how exposed and vulnerable cyclists are, and every cyclist should do a full week of commuter-driving to realise how best to be seen or keep out the way.

Personally I cycle on the assumption that no car has seen me and that every single one *might* pull out on me or cut me up. I drive on the assumption that every bike may need to swerve for a pothole or need space to fall over in.
 
Regarding cycle lanes... they're the most dangerous things ever if not on a public road.
I'd put it akin to putting a NSL, single lane track (not one way) outside of a row of schools.
Cyclists do not just do 15mph, they quite often do well in to the 20s/30s. I've lost count of the number of times someone has pulled out of a parking space or in to a turning as they think I'm meandering. Not funny when bikes don't tend to brake as fast as cars do...

I drive and cycle defensively, I rely on experience, predictions and reactions. In fact, I'd go as far to say that I have utter contempt for other road users unless they display something that would make me otherwise think so.

It's safest that way.
 
I have to say, three abreast seems a bit selfish. Single file, no problem. Any cyclist is doing their best to allow following traffic to pass. But blocking up the whole width of one side of the road seems a bit inconsiderate IMO.

Cyclists should wear some high visibility clothing if possible, or at the very least some lights. I've seen quite a few with nothing other than the clothes they are wearing...very dangerous.

I noticed agw_01 mentioned using the horn to let cyclists know he was there..and others responded saying it was being aggressive. This is actually the correct use of the horn. The problem is that too many people in this country use the horn to vent their frustration, NOT to let somebody know they are there (even for that person's benefit). So horn use is seen as being aggressive.

I beeped my horn once at a car emerging right out of a side road on the right who was pulling out and hadn't seen me coming. They went mental once they pulled out, tailgating me and flashing me. Idiots.
 
Why do they always run redlights after going through the traffic waiting at them and then they cause a hold up as cars can't get past them despite them pedeling at their best to get to 10mph. Causes no end of problems on my daily commute through Derby.
 
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