Mortgage Rate Rises

First, sorry to hear about how difficult things are for you.

The only thing I can say is you need to cut costs and hang on. It's going to be horrible and it's not your fault, but you have little choice.

I spent years with no furniture, other than a bed, to pay a mortgage I couldn't really afford. I had to live in a bedsit after losing most of my house equity in a divorce. The next house I got was furnished mostly from charity shops.

It was bad at the time, but things did improve.

You just have to suck up the pain and look to the future. It's not your fault, but it is your problem.

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why so many excuses ? anyone can do anything ? there is not one circumstance that means you have to stay anywhere ..your home is 250k that would get you a detached 4 bed round here and unless your job is hands on you could work from home ?
why does this generation blame everyone but themselves ?

This is just being ignorant / dismissive of the problems MANY people are facing with the current broken housing market. It stinks of "I'm alright jack, suck it up buttercup".

And yes, there are circumstances that mean you have to stay in one location e.g. caring for elderly relatives / parents who live nearby. But of course you overlook that, because you aren't facing financial burdens from the current crisis or have the same level of expectations that others do.
 
but they did make a choice to take out a mortgage and everything that comes with it .. again and again you hear it's not my fault ?? who's is it then ? the housing market was only ever going up ..so would the interest rates at some point ..now i'll admit because off Ukraine things did move faster but there was loads of time to lock into a 10 yr even if it did cost you in the short run .. being angry is fine when we lost ours i was very angry but excepted it was my fault and so should they ..
Nobody expected them to increase again atleast not anywhere near as high and as fast as we have had such a long period of stabillity. When we were talking to mortgage brokers/fionancial advisers just 2 years ago they were advising us our mortgage rates woudl go down in a few years and to take out 2 year fixed deals, thsi is the same for friends that also bought in the last few years. You may have accepted it was yoru fault and moved on and i do no know your situation but you dont know other peoples either. In this situation why should people accept its their fault when they followed the advice of professionals and bought within their means at that time? And whose fault is it? well lets look to the bank of england for the increases of interest rates to curb inflation that clearly arent goign to work when inflation this time is been caused by the increase in the cost of energy. Increasing interest rates isnt going to stop people excessively spending when no one was to begin with due to been unable to afford food and heating and now because of thsi action clearly not even housing.
but they did make a choice to take out a mortgage and everything that comes with it ..
But this doesnt just affect people who took out a mortgage, this also affects renters, as rents are going up due to mortgage increases affecting landlords.
 
It is simply about helping people who need the help, I don't understand your aversion to it.

Lots of people were helped during Covid, which was external circumstances. Almost everyone was helped with energy bill crisis, which was external circumstances. Why shouldn't mortgage holders (and renters, if rates effect their rent amount) be helped when external circumstances have rapidly driven up interest rates?

If inflation is a problem, why did the Government hand out money to everyone to support rising energy bills? Those trebled energy bills would have driven down other spending if the Government support didn't occur. An extra £2k a year on energy could be dwarfed by the extra on mortgages for many people. Why is it ok for that to happen but not for energy bills to rise?

Interest rates disproportionately effect housing costs. So what is happening is one (albeit very large) group of people are the ones expected to cut back and solve the inflation problem. Why?

So you have moved on from equality now to wanting equity?

The issue with equity is it promotes risk taking and bad decision making since it lowers the risks of doing so, unless very specifically and well implemented.

Again I have explained this. Covid and the energy bills were one off help that not only helped individuals but were better for the whole country. Failure to help with COVID would likely have seen a very deep depression where the cost to the government would have exceeded the cost of helping.
Energy prices, well I am very 50/50 on that in regards whether everyone should have had help, but one of the issues is that if you don't do that then you run into issues of how you quickly identify those that need help and get a process into place in order to do so.

But the main difference between those two and mortgages is that they were not of the governments making nor want. Interest rates whilst independent via the BOE are what the government also needs for its stated goal of low inflation, so then turning round and taking away the main lever would be somewhat daft.

And again your only looking at the mortgage holders here. Its well understood that in times of higher interest rates that many people will slow spending and start saving more.

The government runs a narrow line between equality (what it really means not Dans version) and equity. Bear in mind you have a C&UP government, they are far less likely to be heavily into equity since generally those most successful will vote for this government. They cannot alienate all their natural voters to court the people who may well not vote for them anyway.

Life sucks honestly, its just reality. Its never going to be perfect, otherwise we would all live in a penthouse in London during the week earning £500k+ with a lovely place on the coast for weekends.

And yes, there are circumstances that mean you have to stay in one location e.g. caring for elderly relatives / parents who live nearby. But of course you overlook that, because you aren't facing financial burdens from the current crisis or have the same level of expectations that others do.

This is an incredibly difficult one. We had it in our family, my father (with 3 brothers) only had one remaining in the area when their father needed more care and help. A lot fell on the one brother who remained in that area (arguably the least successful if you went simply on hard £ metrics).
My grandfather could have moved, but refused point blank at all stages.

It is very easy to end up tied to an area, some will be willing to break those bonds far easier than others. My first serious girlfriend couldn't go a day without either visiting her mother or speak to her on the phone. I was like meh, I spoke to my parents last month why do I need to call them!?
 
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This is just being ignorant / dismissive of the problems MANY people are facing with the current broken housing market. It stinks of "I'm alright jack, suck it up buttercup".

And yes, there are circumstances that mean you have to stay in one location e.g. caring for elderly relatives / parents who live nearby. But of course you overlook that, because you aren't facing financial burdens from the current crisis or have the same level of expectations that others do.
maybe i'm just not woke enough for you and you would be right .. i'm nearly 60 and all i hear is men who are supposed to lead there family's crying like little girls because they made mistakes and can't own up to it or except it
and yes MANY people made bad decisions ? and the housing market isn't broken it's been the same for over 50 yrs .. as i said lost a house 14 yrs ago .. picked myself up got another learnt a lesson .. you make your own burdens so stop crying and get on with it ..
 
maybe i'm just not woke enough for you and you would be right .. i'm nearly 60 and all i hear is men who are supposed to lead there family's crying like little girls because they made mistakes and can't own up to it or except it
and yes MANY people made bad decisions ? and the housing market isn't broken it's been the same for over 50 yrs .. as i said lost a house 14 yrs ago .. picked myself up got another learnt a lesson .. you make your own burdens so stop crying and get on with it ..
Honestly this just seems like "bad **** happened to me so you should accept it happening to you aswell" That is not an attitude that resolves anything, you are just accepting issues as the norm when we should be actively looking to fix what is broken improve the status quo for the future.
 
Nobody expected them to increase again atleast not anywhere near as high and as fast as we have had such a long period of stabillity. When we were talking to mortgage brokers/fionancial advisers just 2 years ago they were advising us our mortgage rates woudl go down in a few years and to take out 2 year fixed deals, thsi is the same for friends that also bought in the last few years. You may have accepted it was yoru fault and moved on and i do no know your situation but you dont know other peoples either. In this situation why should people accept its their fault when they followed the advice of professionals and bought within their means at that time? And whose fault is it? well lets look to the bank of england for the increases of interest rates to curb inflation that clearly arent goign to work when inflation this time is been caused by the increase in the cost of energy. Increasing interest rates isnt going to stop people excessively spending when no one was to begin with due to been unable to afford food and heating and now because of thsi action clearly not even housing.

But this doesnt just affect people who took out a mortgage, this also affects renters, as rents are going up due to mortgage increases affecting landlords.

Part of what annoys me about the current talk of interest rates is that many of us warned against this, and that rates were too low for too long and not to assume they were going to stay that way.

Dan has basically inferred in the past he thinks he should pretty much be able to borrow for free. Basically there should be no situation where rates are notably above rock bottom.

When those of us talked about rates going up we were told no way cannot happen it would wreck everyone, and yet here we are.

One of my problems with financial advisers is that IMO because of how the system works they end up all saying the same thing. None of them are going to say "you know what, take a long fix, look here is a 15 year and its only 2% higher interest rate than this 2 year fix"
Because they know that the general public will 99% go, hahahahah! I am going to go with the other guy who suggested the 2 year fix.

As per other conversations, endowments, the general UK public are not up to making these decisions really.

Honestly this just seems like "bad **** happened to me so you should accept it happening to you aswell" That is not an attitude that resolves anything, you are just accepting issues as the norm when we should be actively looking to fix what is broken improve the status quo for the future.

This we agree on. Although good luck with that.
Personally I prefer to assume all politicians will make it worse and set out to do whats best for me and mine and I am sorry to say, **** everyone else.
 
Part of what annoys me about the current talk of interest rates is that many of us warned against this, and that rates were too low for too long and not to assume they were going to stay that way.

Dan has basically inferred in the past he thinks he should pretty much be able to borrow for free. Basically there should be no situation where rates are notably above rock bottom.

When those of us talked about rates going up we were told no way cannot happen it would wreck everyone, and yet here we are.

One of my problems with financial advisers is that IMO because of how the system works they end up all saying the same thing. None of them are going to say "you know what, take a long fix, look here is a 15 year and its only 2% higher interest rate than this 2 year fix"
Because they know that the general public will 99% go, hahahahah! I am going to go with the other guy who suggested the 2 year fix.

As per other conversations, endowments, the general UK public are not up to making these decisions really.



This we agree on. Although good luck with that.
Personally I prefer to assume all politicians will make it worse and set out to do whats best for me and mine and I am sorry to say, **** everyone else.

I mean yes as part of seeking this advice they do advise that you review if you can afford it to a certain level if interest rates did increase which is sensible and reasonable however the rates currently are beyond their worst case scenario levels that they were advising for. The other thing is peopel expected rate rises to be a lot slower givign them time to see it coming and make changes to help deal with it which we havent had as the rates have risen at record speed.
 
Nobody expected them to increase again atleast not anywhere near as high and as fast as we have had such a long period of stabillity. When we were talking to mortgage brokers/fionancial advisers just 2 years ago they were advising us our mortgage rates woudl go down in a few years and to take out 2 year fixed deals, thsi is the same for friends that also bought in the last few years. You may have accepted it was yoru fault and moved on and i do no know your situation but you dont know other peoples either. In this situation why should people accept its their fault when they followed the advice of professionals and bought within their means at that time? And whose fault is it? well lets look to the bank of england for the increases of interest rates to curb inflation that clearly arent goign to work when inflation this time is been caused by the increase in the cost of energy. Increasing interest rates isnt going to stop people excessively spending when no one was to begin with due to been unable to afford food and heating and now because of thsi action clearly not even housing.

But this doesnt just affect people who took out a mortgage, this also affects renters, as rents are going up due to mortgage increases affecting landlords.
you yourself took the advice of someone !! you ..my situation was like yours good life over extended rates shot up .. never trusted anyone since at 0.5% which way did you think the rates would go ? they could not go down ? bought within the means could mean anything 3x 4x 5x ? wholesale energy cost are now near normal .. food cost are high and how much debt do people have ? thats why it's hitting them tv's car's holidays that 4090 they put on a 3 yr plan .. and yes it effects everyone who didn't look after there money my kids both own houses with fixed mortgage there on 30ish k a yr there not struggling because they didn't over extend themselves
 
maybe i'm just not woke enough for you and you would be right .. i'm nearly 60 and all i hear is men who are supposed to lead there family's crying like little girls because they made mistakes and can't own up to it or except it
and yes MANY people made bad decisions ? and the housing market isn't broken it's been the same for over 50 yrs .. as i said lost a house 14 yrs ago .. picked myself up got another learnt a lesson .. you make your own burdens so stop crying and get on with it ..

Okay boomer.
 
I mean yes as part of seeking this advice they do advise that you review if you can afford it to a certain level if interest rates did increase which is sensible and reasonable however the rates currently are beyond their worst case scenario levels that they were advising for. The other thing is peopel expected rate rises to be a lot slower givign them time to see it coming and make changes to help deal with it which we havent had as the rates have risen at record speed.
record speed no... fast yes i remember the rates going up 5-7% in a week :)
 
you yourself took the advice of someone !! you ..my situation was like yours good life over extended rates shot up .. never trusted anyone since at 0.5% which way did you think the rates would go ? they could not go down ? bought within the means could mean anything 3x 4x 5x ? wholesale energy cost are now near normal .. food cost are high and how much debt do people have ? thats why it's hitting them tv's car's holidays that 4090 they put on a 3 yr plan .. and yes it effects everyone who didn't look after there money my kids both own houses with fixed mortgage there on 30ish k a yr there not struggling because they didn't over extend themselves
Right cool so were just assuming now everyone struggling overextended and took out loans for frivelous things just because you yourself and your kids are doing fine. Repeat after me, my life experience and situation does not match everybody elses. In every post by yourself i cannot sense a capabillity to be empathetic at all.
 
Right cool so were just assuming now everyone struggling overextended and took out loans for frivelous things just because you yourself and your kids are doing fine. Repeat after me, my life experience and situation does not match everybody elses. In every post by yourself i cannot sense a capabillity to be empathetic at all.
yes your right i'm capable of a lot of things empathy is not one .. and yes my life experience would scare the **** out of most and yes i'm probably broken ... and if people who are not over extended or have loads of debt are having problems they should ask themselves why ?
 
yes your right i'm capable of a lot of things empathy is not one .. and yes my life experience would scare the **** out of most and yes i'm probably broken ... and if people who are not over extended or have loads of debt are having problems they should ask themselves why ?

There's a difference between being over extended and having to find 4K a year over night.
 
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