Most of what you believe about a healthy diet is probably not true.

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Most of the stuff posted has been decent information, I would disagree with the stuff about fasting having any kind of benefits over the same calories/diet being consumed over a normal days eating though.
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If just using it to lose weight then I'd agree but as FF says it comes with many more benefits on a cellular level.
 
andybird123 said:
Some things I learned recently due to new and updated research;
Salt intake has almost no effect on heart disease (low salt intake can actually increase your risk).
saturated fats are more healthy (virgin olive oil and coconut oil are the best non-animal oils).
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Does that mean my unhealthy addiction to pork scratchings is actually healthy!?
 
adam cool dude said:
Does that mean my unhealthy addiction to pork scratchings is actually healthy!?
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Packaged ones are likely to contain a bunch of crap you don't need and be cooked in cheap veg oil, but make them fresh in good oil and they are much less unhealthy than would have been made out, yes.

I now eat bacon multiple times a week (usually on salad) and my blood pressure has dropped.
 
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fez said:
Thats interesting because the accepted wisdom in cycling is that you basically cannot over consume carbs / sugar while you are refuelling on a ride. You will make yourself sick before you can overload yourself into a danger situation.

Post ride its a different story. I assume that you don't eat quite like a cyclist when you are running however.
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Sorry for the late reply, I was on holiday.
All I know is I ate lots of carbs, did miles of running and obviously I must have had too many carbs then what I needed.
My diabetes is now all about cutting carbs, the diabetes Nurses won't say it but it's basically the Atkins Diet.
 
Had a chicken shish kebab this evening.

Nine ******* quid!

For a kebab!

Mate kebab is a £4.50 or £6 for large.

£9!

Last kebab I'm having for a while.
 
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BUDFORCE said:
Had a chicken shish kebab this evening.

Nine ******* quid!

For a kebab!

Mate kebab is a £4.50 or £6 for large.

£9!

Last kebab I'm having for a while.
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I remember having this heart attack when I moved to zone 2, London. I think in the end I normalised 12.50 for a large shish. Nuts really.

Here is my most bonkers one yet:
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That's 18 quid for large fish and chips.
 
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£6.50 here for a large I think, but it is sold out of a dodgy, and very rusty old Transit van on an industrial estate.
Tastes good though.
 
andybird123 said:
Packaged ones are likely to contain a bunch of crap you don't need and be cooked in cheap veg oil, but make them fresh in good oil and they are much less unhealthy than would have been made out, yes.

I now eat bacon multiple times a week (usually on salad) and my blood pressure has dropped.
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I only source straight from the local butcher. I can't stand the processed ones!
 
firstborn said:
Somewhat late to reply. What is properly, so much info out there do you have any particular go to sources of info as a start?

Cheers
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Uther mentioned it. 14-16hrs is when the magic stats to happen. But doing a 24hr fast once a week can be really quite incredible for the body, but in the society we live in very difficult to do.

In short (I can send links to the medical studies when I get home if you're interested) it helps with insulin response, hormonal balance, it shifts metabolic pathways from using glucose as fuel to using fatty acids. This pathway change triggers stem cells hyperactivity leading to regenerative processes. I think it can also help with stress response and thus blood pressure, as it can reduce cortisol swings but that goes back to my catch all is hormonal balance. I think there were also a studies suggesting better immune response too and better immune resilience.


This is off the top of my head at the moment I'm sure others will chip in.
 
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Freefaller said:
Uther mentioned it. 14-16hrs is when the magic stats to happen. But doing a 24hr fast once a week can be really quite incredible for the body, but in the society we live in very difficult to do.

In short (I can send links to the medical studies when I get home if you're interested) it helps with insulin response, hormonal balance, it shifts metabolic pathways from using glucose as fuel to using fatty acids. This pathway change triggers stem cells hyperactivity leading to regenerative processes. I think it can also help with stress response and thus blood pressure, as it can reduce cortisol swings but that goes back to my catch all is hormonal balance. I think there were also a studies suggesting better immune response too and better immune resilience.


This is off the top of my head at the moment I'm sure others will chip in.
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Thanks. I currently eat fairly well, so if it's a case of squeezing that into an 8 hour window then that should be very doable.

Started to Google and whilst 16/8 seems to be consistent it all diverges when it come to breaking fast etc. It's just as easy for me to have breakfast for example in work at 10 as it is at 7 before the school run. But I like my porridge, which I can make in work easily. But then some sites say porridge not a good option.

Any research links would be greatly appreciated thanks. But as a start will focus on the 8 hour window and see how it goes. It may actually be easier to do a 24hr once a week. Friday into Saturday, ready for long runs on a Sunday.

Thanks again!
 
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Here’s a recent systematic review (a study of existing studies) showing that compared to standard caloric restriction, IF has thus far shown no statistically significant difference to various health markers:

But muh autophagy!!!1111 Muh life extension! Muh inflammation! Muh Jason Fung!

Nope. If you’re metabolically healthy then you can’t hack yourself to be super-healthy. If you’re metabolically unhealthy, exercise and reduce visceral and subcutaneous fat through whatever method of energy restriction you can adhere to. If there any benefits to time-restricted feeding there’s so subtle as to have not been picked up yet.
 
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I eat a sugar rich diet and have a very strong body & immune system, until I started eating meat more than usual and I started getting ill more.
Also I eat a lot of cheese and eggs also, so protein was never an issue but eating the likes of steaks and very fatty patty burgers I have felt the difference.

Sugar is not as bad as made to believe, it is if you are never active, luckily I have a pretty intense job, muscles need glucoze.

I gain muscle and strength better on this diet.

I do eat balanced.
I eat veg.
I eat fish.
I eat nuts.
I eat pasta / rice.
I eat anything just that I have a higher preference for the aforementioned and have witnessed changes in eating way more meat than usual.

It's different for everyone.
 
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fez said:
Thats a lovely way to put it. Unfortunately that completely ignores the years of pain, lack of mobility, cornucopia of drugs you will be taking, most of which will have competing side effects.

Healthy people don't just live longer lives, they live happier lives.

My body is not a temple but god damnit I am not going to be a 50 year old man with a pot belly who waddles around out of breath and miserable. Everything in moderation.
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I am 32 and you would be amazed how many can't even manage 4 sets of stairs even below my age at it or above it, almost as if age is not even needing to be mentioned.
 
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bjorkiii said:
Chocolate eclairs cure arthritis in studies done. Also fizzbombs can help people of Afghanistan learn portuguese.
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This combo is anal explosion, you have been warned. Perhaps you could sell it to the Afghans.

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Found out yesterday... rough ASF and the bathroom needed a deep clean.

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Tired9 said:
I eat a sugar rich diet and have a very strong body & immune system, until I started eating meat more than usual and I started getting ill more.
Also I eat a lot of cheese and eggs also, so protein was never an issue but eating the likes of steaks and very fatty patty burgers I have felt the difference.

Sugar is not as bad as made to believe, it is if you are never active, luckily I have a pretty intense job, muscles need glucoze.

I gain muscle and strength better on this diet.

I do eat balanced.
I eat veg.
I eat fish.
I eat nuts.
I eat pasta / rice.
I eat anything just that I have a higher preference for the aforementioned and have witnessed changes in eating way more meat than usual.

It's different for everyone.
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Doing lots of excercise to use up the extra carbs will keep weight off, but the daily cycle of insulin spikes could still be causing long term damage, see how you go through 40's and in to your 50's and you could find you start to develop problems, luckily even hard core insulin resistance can be fixed by just swapping out the carbs - it doesn't have to be red meat if you don't tolerate red meat - olive oil and avocados are also good - to your benefit if you are eating cheese, eggs and nuts then chances are you are also consuming the right nutrients that will be protective for you.

Low carb diet doesn't mean high protein diet - healthy keto mostly recommends a piece of meat no bigger than the palm of your hand.

Modern low carb isn't atkins, on the atkins diet you would eat so much meat that your body just turns it in to glucose anyway.
 
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