MotoGP 2012

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So thoughts and predictions on the season? Surprised not to see a thread for this already.

Good first race! Lorenzo raced a great race and that bike is looking really good so far.
Ducati not so great but Haydon did alright and Bradl had a great race as well held 6th for quite a long time.
Crutchlow put in a blinding fast lap in quals yesterday and was top with a few minutes left and finished 4th just ahead of Dovi.

Hopefully a good season this year as last years was a little boring tbh
 
Think Cal will get podium! Would be great for him!
Don't think it will go all Hondas way this year.... think we might see Lorenzo and Pedrosa pushing for it strongly.

Surprised to see Spies so low!
 
Was surprised to see Pedrosa finish #2 after he seemed to have a bad few days in Qatar, he qualified quite low didn't he? Mind you he weighs bugger all and is crazy off the start line. Also helps he doesn't really wear his tyres like Stoner so no doubt had much better grip latter 3rd of the game.
 

But that's a 'starts this weekend' thread.

We do need an official 2012 thread such as this.. So well done to the OP for starting one.

We should have the mods change it to 'Official MotoGP 2012 thread'

Yes exciting 1st race. You keep an ear to the ground on pre-season testing, but the real test is race day.. Well done to Lorenzo99 !!! Can we still use the name Stacey Moaner for 2012? :D Too bad Stace ! I'm sure he was upset. Good to not see a plethora of factory Repsol Honda's at the front and good to see the Tech3's up there too.

Early days, but at least the 1000cc M1 isn't a flop and here's to hoping for a close fought out season !
 
Stoners biggest problem with that race appeared to be his lack of testing in race conditions. He didn't seem prepared for the loss of tyre grip and they are new tyres this year? The way he rides it sliding around every where it is not surprising he wears them out.
Pedrosa is so damn light and pretty smooth his seem to last that bit longer.

thedoc46, what is up with Rossi then? Seems odd that Hayden seemed to do a lot better on the same bike and Hayden said it is the fastest the Ducati has been since he has been on it? Can't really see Rossi challenging this season tbh seemed off the pace all through testing.
 
i didnt put the tread in here as it lists motoGP stuff to go in the motorsport forum

i see stoner still moaning lol
he is now also blaming new gloves lol
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...oGP/2012/April/apr0912-arm-pump-halts-stoner/



Stoners biggest problem with that race appeared to be his lack of testing in race conditions. He didn't seem prepared for the loss of tyre grip and they are new tyres this year? The way he rides it sliding around every where it is not surprising he wears them out.
Pedrosa is so damn light and pretty smooth his seem to last that bit longer.

thedoc46, what is up with Rossi then? Seems odd that Hayden seemed to do a lot better on the same bike and Hayden said it is the fastest the Ducati has been since he has been on it? Can't really see Rossi challenging this season tbh seemed off the pace all through testing.

its not really he`s lack of race conditions test, as he has done it this way all his career and more training n testing can make arm pump even worse
he may need an op to sort it like riders in the past.
 
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thedoc46, what is up with Rossi then? Seems odd that Hayden seemed to do a lot better on the same bike and Hayden said it is the fastest the Ducati has been since he has been on it? Can't really see Rossi challenging this season tbh seemed off the pace all through testing.

I think Stacey hit the nail right on the head at the start of 2011. He said, Rossi will soon find out how frustrating it will be to not get the feedback from rider to development and onto the bike. Even with the likes of Burgess on the team. The two can only work with what they've got. It's a small factory compared to the likes to Yamaha and Honda. Who are in fierce competition with each other, and are not afraid to throw endless amounts of cash into getting it right. Ducati do not have the same budget, and unless they get it right off the bat, they're running mid-grid. Rossi is struggling with the bike no doubt. There was some hope last yr that the were no longer putting anything into last yrs chasis and that the 2012 would be a front runner. Unfortunately this doesn't appear to be the case. I can't see things turning around. It may happen, but they'll not want to put too much money in the pot to change and will decide to just tweak what they've got.. Giving Rossi little to no hope.

One thing we know is its not Rossi. History has shown how adaptive he is. But then he's always had the best bike on the grid. The question remains however, will he be able to recover psychologically? Racing at that level is very mental, and he's had the confidence knocked out of him of no longer being the best.. Would he even be able to bounce back if put on a factory Yamaha in 2013? A lot was put on him for making the M1 what it was / is today, but remember this was Yamaha and more money was spent than what Ducati will ever commit too. Plus he was involved in the Simoncelli incident. Perhaps that's taken a little out of him? Rossi's fuel was the buzz which he's not getting anymore, so who knows. This maybe the time for him to try other things such as Rally.
 
One thing we know is its not Rossi. History has shown how adaptive he is. But then he's always had the best bike on the grid. The question remains however, will he be able to recover psychologically? Racing at that level is very mental, and he's had the confidence knocked out of him of no longer being the best.. Would he even be able to bounce back if put on a factory Yamaha in 2013? A lot was put on him for making the M1 what it was / is today, but remember this was Yamaha and more money was spent than what Ducati will ever commit too. Plus he was involved in the Simoncelli incident. Perhaps that's taken a little out of him? Rossi's fuel was the buzz which he's not getting anymore, so who knows. This maybe the time for him to try other things such as Rally.

Always had the best bike on the grid? were you not around when Rossi first rode the M1? nobody gave him a chance to finish in the top 6 nevermind win it's first race! The bike WAS substandard, he made it what it is today, if it wasn't for Rossi that bike would still be an also ran. :eek::confused:
 
Always had the best bike on the grid? were you not around when Rossi first rode the M1? nobody gave him a chance to finish in the top 6 nevermind win it's first race! The bike WAS substandard, he made it what it is today, if it wasn't for Rossi that bike would still be an also ran. :eek::confused:

I'm 40, i've been religiously watching MotoGP since I was 17. By the time pre-season testing was over, the newly designed and built M1 WAS the best bike on the grid. That is why Rossi got off his bike after the Welkom race and kissed it infront of thousands of fans and millions watching, cos he knew, that he and Burgess had got it right.

It's a small factory compared to the likes to Yamaha and Honda. Who are in fierce competition with each other, and are not afraid to throw endless amounts of cash into getting it right. Ducati do not have the same budget, ..

A lot was put on him for making the M1 what it was / is today, but remember this was Yamaha and more money was spent than what Ducati will ever commit too..
 
I'm 40, i've been religiously watching MotoGP since I was 17. By the time pre-season testing was over, the newly designed and built M1 WAS the best bike on the grid. That is why Rossi got off his bike after the Welkom race and kissed it infront of thousands of fans and millions watching, cos he knew, that he and Burgess had got it right.

sorry mate but that's absolute rubbish, it was far from the best bike out there, do yourself a favour and retrace the history of the M1 ;)

From Wikipedia:

Valentino Rossi signed a two-year contract with Yamaha, reportedly worth in excess of US$6 million per season, in a move that was described by the press as "biting off more than he could chew". It was widely felt not only by his critics and media pundits, but also by many fans, that even he would not be able to bring the struggling YZR-M1 up to the level of the hereto all conquering Honda RC211V. A well publicised increase in the pace of development of the Honda machine over the winter season fuelled expectation that a Honda RC211V in the hands of riders the calibre of Max Biaggi and Sete Gibernau would have no problem in retaining the World Title for Honda.

Meanwhile, Rossi wasn't the only defection Honda had to contend with; Jeremy Burgess (crew chief for Rossi at Honda), along with the majority of his long established crew, were convinced by Rossi to join him at Yamaha. This was a shrewd move, and was cited by Rossi in his autobiography as being instrumental in providing him with the strong basis necessary for launching an attack on the Championship with the YZR-M1.

During 2003/2004 winter testing, Yamaha stepped up to the plate by pulling out all the stops in their collaboration with Rossi and Burgess. Through a systematic regime of innovation and testing, they sought to refine the M1's traditionally strong traits such as good braking and quick handling (which impressed Rossi), and marry them with good balance and transition to power. Working closely with Rossi and Burgess, Yamaha engineers under YZR-M1 project leader Koichi Tsuji experimented with a number of engine modifications in an attempt to fix the power delivery, and finally it was decided to go ahead with a four valve per cylinder head configuration (as opposed to the earlier five valve head), with a specially refined cylinder firing order. This turned the straight four cylinder engine from a traditional "screamer", where the power pulses are spaced equally (every 180 crank degrees) in the four stroke cycle, into a so called "long bang" engine where the power pulses are grouped unevenly across the cycle (270-180-90-180). This firing order mimics that of a V4 engine while maintaining the desirable engine packaging of a traditional inline four cylinder. These developments significantly improved the torque characteristics of the engine, and coupled with slight changes to the position of the engine in the chassis, made the M1 much easier to control at the limit of adhesion while exiting corners. After a frantic winter of development and testing, the team showed the world that they had made a significant step in the right direction, when Rossi and the M1 won the BMW car at the 2004 pre season IRTA test at Catalunya, by posting the fastest lap of the open session (similar to normal race qualifying).

With the traditional first race of the season at Suzuka off the list due to safety considerations, the 2004 season started at Welkom in South Africa. In a quite remarkable race, Rossi came through to claim the victory, not only silencing his critics, but becoming the first man in history to win two GPs back to back with two different manufacturers. Rossi would go on to claim 8 more GP wins on his way to win the 2004 Championship, with a tally of 304 points. Honda riders Sete Gibernau and Max Biaggi took second and third with 257 and 217 points respectively.

The 2004 season would therefore unfold to give Rossi the opportunity he had sought; to prove that it was his talent rather than just the bike that had won him his championships. In so doing, he also achieved one of the great coups in the history of Motorcycle Racing.

The YZR-M1 and Rossi partnership continued to dominate in 2005, when the Championship was won by a massive 147 point margin over Honda rider Marco Melandri in second place.The 2005 M1 was hailed by insiders to be a great race bike, it illustrated that Yamaha with input from Rossi had created a race bike to beat the others quite easily. Rossi would go on later to say that the 2005 M1 was the greatest bike he has ever ridden.
 
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sorry mate but that's absolute rubbish, it was far from the best bike out there, do yourself a favour and retrace the history of the M1 ;)

From Wikipedia:

Valentino Rossi signed a two-year contract with Yamaha, reportedly worth in excess of US$6 million per season, in a move that was described by the press as "biting off more than he could chew". It was widely felt not only by his critics and media pundits, but also by many fans, that even he would not be able to bring the struggling YZR-M1 up to the level of the hereto all conquering Honda RC211V. A well publicised increase in the pace of development of the Honda machine over the winter season fuelled expectation that a Honda RC211V in the hands of riders the calibre of Max Biaggi and Sete Gibernau would have no problem in retaining the World Title for Honda.

Meanwhile, Rossi wasn't the only defection Honda had to contend with; Jeremy Burgess (crew chief for Rossi at Honda), along with the majority of his long established crew, were convinced by Rossi to join him at Yamaha. This was a shrewd move, and was cited by Rossi in his autobiography as being instrumental in providing him with the strong basis necessary for launching an attack on the Championship with the YZR-M1.

During 2003/2004 winter testing, Yamaha stepped up to the plate by pulling out all the stops in their collaboration with Rossi and Burgess. Through a systematic regime of innovation and testing, they sought to refine the M1's traditionally strong traits such as good braking and quick handling (which impressed Rossi), and marry them with good balance and transition to power. Working closely with Rossi and Burgess, Yamaha engineers under YZR-M1 project leader Koichi Tsuji experimented with a number of engine modifications in an attempt to fix the power delivery, and finally it was decided to go ahead with a four valve per cylinder head configuration (as opposed to the earlier five valve head), with a specially refined cylinder firing order. This turned the straight four cylinder engine from a traditional "screamer", where the power pulses are spaced equally (every 180 crank degrees) in the four stroke cycle, into a so called "long bang" engine where the power pulses are grouped unevenly across the cycle (270-180-90-180). This firing order mimics that of a V4 engine while maintaining the desirable engine packaging of a traditional inline four cylinder. These developments significantly improved the torque characteristics of the engine, and coupled with slight changes to the position of the engine in the chassis, made the M1 much easier to control at the limit of adhesion while exiting corners. After a frantic winter of development and testing, the team showed the world that they had made a significant step in the right direction, when Rossi and the M1 won the BMW car at the 2004 pre season IRTA test at Catalunya, by posting the fastest lap of the open session (similar to normal race qualifying).

With the traditional first race of the season at Suzuka off the list due to safety considerations, the 2004 season started at Welkom in South Africa. In a quite remarkable race, Rossi came through to claim the victory, not only silencing his critics, but becoming the first man in history to win two GPs back to back with two different manufacturers. Rossi would go on to claim 8 more GP wins on his way to win the 2004 Championship, with a tally of 304 points. Honda riders Sete Gibernau and Max Biaggi took second and third with 257 and 217 points respectively.

The 2004 season would therefore unfold to give Rossi the opportunity he had sought; to prove that it was his talent rather than just the bike that had won him his championships. In so doing, he also achieved one of the great coups in the history of Motorcycle Racing.

The YZR-M1 and Rossi partnership continued to dominate in 2005, when the Championship was won by a massive 147 point margin over Honda rider Marco Melandri in second place.The 2005 M1 was hailed by insiders to be a great race bike, it illustrated that Yamaha with input from Rossi had created a race bike to beat the others quite easily. Rossi would go on later to say that the 2005 M1 was the greatest bike he has ever ridden.

I don't get exactly what it is you're trying to say. This matches everything I'm saying. Before Rossi and Burgess gave their input, it was a good bike, but once they got their mitts involved, it was THE BEST. When did I ever say Biaggi had the best bike? I only said BY THE TIME Rossi raced the M1, it was the best bike.
 
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I don't get exactly what it is you're trying to say. This matches everything I'm saying. Before Rossi and Burgess gave their input, it was a good bike, but once they got their mitts involved, it was THE BEST. When did I ever say Biaggi had the best bike? I only said BY THE TIME Rossi raced the M1, it was the best bike.

You want a hand getting out of tht hole you're digging yourself in? The bike wasn't even expected to win a race nevermind winning the title.
 
Expected? EXCEPT IT DID ! and the championship, hence the BEST bike. I'm not digging myself out of anywhere. Maybe digging myself in, to argue with some numbnut !

Seeing as your throwing insults about I'll refrain from holding back. You are clueless if you think the best bike won, remind me again who was riding the bike? Oh yes and remind me again where the other yams finished. Oh yes Carlos Checa finished 7th and Melandri finished 11th so as you can see this numbnut has shown your argument is flawed and unfounded on your deluded it was the best bike out there statements. sorry for making you look like a fool but arrogant never wrong people like you really boil my urine.
 
Seeing as your throwing insults about I'll refrain from holding back. You are clueless if you think the best bike won, remind me again who was riding the bike? Oh yes and remind me again where the other yams finished. Oh yes Carlos Checa finished 7th and Melandri finished 11th so as you can see this numbnut has shown your argument is flawed and unfounded on your deluded it was the best bike out there statements. sorry for making you look like a fool but arrogant never wrong people like you really boil my urine.

'Careless Checa' ? LOL don't make me laugh. The guy was ready to hang his leathers and was only in it for a payday.

As for the other M1's.. Were they factory?

I rest my case.

But lets argue the facts here, since this really is what this argument is about.. For the next 7 yrs, the 'Factory' M1 was placed more times at the top of the CONSTRUCTORS Championship, more so than any other bike. Even with two subpar riders at the helm, outside of Rossi (sorry Colin) But facts are facts.

Another thing...... numbnut. I hope you don't mind me calling you that, but its rather fitting. Look at my username ?? Ring any bells? Don't you think I'd be the first to gloat in Rossi's glory.. But the fact of the matter is the M1 during the Rossi's reign not only had the best rider, but the best electronics, available setup options and speed into corners. in other words the BEST BIKE !
 
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