MOTOGP 2015

teejay73 said:
Yeah that's called racing mate. As he had the right of way, Rossi had the right to squeeze Marc as much as he did. MM had the opportunity to roll off the throttle and drop behind, he didn't.

The point of controversy comes at the moment of contact, which was initialised from MM first. The overhead heli cam captures it more clearer, and at the very most is a racing incident. FIM bowed to popular opinion, and felt the need to act on what most people felt happened, and not actually what did happen.
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He had rolled off the throttle though to cut back hence why he was taking the wide line to get a good run on to the straight and retake Rossi, But Rossi was looking over his shoulder (2-3 times) to ensure he blocked him in and was therefore matching his speed giving him nowhere to go and pushed him out to the edge of the track/off the track.

Racing is what they were doing in Australia and up until that point in this race. But Rossi wasn't happy and hence the Thursday statement and this reaction.

I don't believe Rossi meant to knock Marc off and end his race, but everything else he meant. And slowing down in the way that he did to pin Marc to the outside of the corner until they were both almost stopped is not racing in any shape or form.
 
Skeeter said:
Its a no win now. FIM can't go back on their decision without losing face and looking like having some Rossi favoritism.
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Quite. Even ex-pro's like Stoner and Spies getting in on the rossi hate without looking at all the facts. I confess that after watching vr for nigh on 20yrs, I favour him above anyone else, though watching it live I instantly lost a lot of respect and got sucked in on all the btsport drivel, etc. But watching all the evidence thereafter clearly shows that for me MM was the one who started the chain. Watched this sport for over 30yrs, and right now don't even want to tune in to the last round.
 
Darryl_1983 said:
He had rolled off the throttle though to cut back hence why he was taking the wide line to get a good run on to the straight and retake Rossi, But Rossi was looking over his shoulder (2-3 times) to ensure he blocked him in and was therefore matching his speed giving him nowhere to go and pushed him out to the edge of the track/off the track.

Racing is what they were doing in Australia and up until that point in this race. But Rossi wasn't happy and hence the Thursday statement and this reaction.

I don't believe Rossi meant to knock Marc off and end his race, but everything else he meant. And slowing down in the way that he did to pin Marc to the outside of the corner until they were both almost stopped is not racing in any shape or form.
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Actually Marc rolled out of the throttle and then opened it again when he was side by side to Rossi. He had no where to go, and was never going to make it around the outside without running out of road. if he had stayed off the throttle, he could have cut under rossi, as VR would have been left wide.

Rossi stood MM up in the middle of the corner, normally you would back off but at that point MM opened up the throttle. No doubt rossi meant to leave him high and dry, but he gave MM the choice, MM chose the wrong one. Rossi just made himself look guilty by giving those glances over his shoulder. I would not expect nothing less from Vale, he has always been notorious for his ruthlessness, even to the point that your making.
 
I think too many people can't see the difference in a racer concentrating on holding their line and forcing other people to ride/drive around it, to a racer riding a line that deliberately forces someone off the track. And all whilst looking at them to make sure this is exactly what happens.
 
MatteH Oxford said:
I think too many people can't see the difference in a racer concentrating on holding their line and forcing other people to ride/drive around it, to a racer riding a line that deliberately forces someone off the track. And all whilst looking at them to make sure this is exactly what happens.
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That isn't what he's been penalises for, is it? It's the supposed 'kick'.
 
MatteH Oxford said:
I think too many people can't see the difference in a racer concentrating on holding their line and forcing other people to ride/drive around it, to a racer riding a line that deliberately forces someone off the track. And all whilst looking at them to make sure this is exactly what happens.
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That's just it. VR pushed it too far, he gave Marc the choices of stop, leave the track or make contact. That can't go unpunished because it sets a precedent for other riders and the proximity of racing today requires trust in your fellow racers. Marc chose to lean over because I genuinely think he couldn't believe Rossi was going to run him off the road. The leg movement is reactionary in my view and Marc falling off was unintentional/unfortunate but that doesn't vindicate what Rossi did.
 
Darryl_1983 said:
The issue isn't that rossi kicked out. It's that he deliberately stood marc up mid corner, pushed him wide and toward the edge of the track and was basically giving him nowhere to go. Marc leant into Rossi when he was about to go off the track. Probably expecting Rossi to also lean over and back onto the racing line at the point before they both had no more track.

If you watch the race building up to this and ignore the rubbish Rossi stated in the press conference on Thursday, you'd all be saying it was good, hard, close but fair racing up to that point. Both riders were on the limit, Rossi lost the front end at least once, Marc lost the back end at one point and the front at another.

Then Rossi took the inside of the corner slowed down and blocked Marc, looking over his shoulder (2-3 times) and basically just pinned him into the side of the track.

The only person that's ruined the championship is Rossi, he's devalued it for Lorenzo should he win in Valencia.
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This sums it up perfectly imo, people need to get off the "Rossi is perfect and can do no wrong" train and realise he has brought this on himself. I've watched and been a Rossi fan for 10 years+ and even I can say this was Rossi in the wrong.
 
In that case fair enough.

That article does sound like someone who is using information that came to light after they made a decision to then justify their earlier decision though.
 
SPG said:
MM is a slime ball, he should have been banned for life.for.some his antics in moto 2.
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To be fair he can be a little too aggressive, but! banned for life.... LOL

He's just another ruthless rider, just like Rossi in his younger days, Biaggi, Harada, Doohan...hell even Foggy, Slight and Edwards over in WSBK did some dangerous stuff over the years...

I'm no huge fan of Marquez, he is a good fast rider, but he's young in the sport and has a lot to learn.
 
Rossi~ said:
It's got the potential to be. But i bet either Rossi or Lorenzo will stack in early on and that'll be that.
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Rossi needs a minor miracle to win, his best hope is if Lorenzo DNF's:D otherwise Rossi has to summon the gods to help him get in front of Lorenzo and stay there. :(

I'm having visions of Rossi/Gibernau https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcLGmpKcDUU
 
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