I really hope Pedrosa gets into a groove quickly next season and puts in a consistent title challenge. I don't think anyone would begrudge him a shot at the title. I think this season was possibly the first where he's been properly fit more often than injured?
MOTOGP 2015
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Its only 4 laps and 4 riders so just have to race flatout, no time for tactics
so cant really compare the 2.
speedway has no draw for me, ok to watch now and again
Rossi is now a sad bitter and twisted racer unable to repeat the success he had in the past.
Retire now Rossi and at least go with what's left of your dignity.
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I must admit i felt a bit sorry for rossi in the end (supported him from the 125cc class), he rode a good race and was never going to get better than 4th starting from the back in a dry race. Saying that, i'm not sure he'd have had the pace to get better than 4th even if he was starting from the front row.
I said early in the thread that if Rossi ended the day champion, he'd deserve it, even after the mess last time out. But Lorenzo, has been the fastest rider this year no question. He won in the end and I believe he deserved the championship just as much as Rossi, for his speed. Rossi was consistant, but never really looked like winning in the dry races most of the year unless there was issues such as tyre wear problems, he just never really had the speed all year. Bit like when Haydn won the championship, and only won 1 race.
I can see why Rossi feels the way he does, not so much the Australia round to be honest, but the last two. However, to come out and say what he has, knowing how much power he has over the media and fans is totally uncalled for. Rossi is so big that he can end a riders career and reputation using the media, just look at everybody he has ever ridden against, anybody that was a real threat to him has been worked over and are generally not liked by the majority of the fans.
He doesn't know for sure whether MM was on the limit the entire race and had nothing left. Or waiting for a last lap move, but then got held up by Dani, etc. At the end of the day MM and Dani, were both much faster than Rossi in the race (granted he had to pass all the other riders, but that shouldb't be a massive challenge for the top 4), so how can he say they weren't riding to there limit? I also feel Rossi's overtakes were just as hard as Marc's in Sepang, and he should have just dealt with it better.
I'm disappointed Rossi didn't just accept that he'd lost this time, instead of blaming everything on Marc. Marc isn't the reason you were not fast enough all year to qualify as well as you should have been. When your qualifying on the 2nd and 3rd row for more than half the races, it isn't normal to be champion at the end of the year.
I also don't argee with all the people saying that the sport has been tornished, etc. There are so many more people interested in motogp the last few weeks. No doubt most will want to see what happens next year, between Rossi/Marc/Lorenzo
I said early in the thread that if Rossi ended the day champion, he'd deserve it, even after the mess last time out. But Lorenzo, has been the fastest rider this year no question. He won in the end and I believe he deserved the championship just as much as Rossi, for his speed. Rossi was consistant, but never really looked like winning in the dry races most of the year unless there was issues such as tyre wear problems, he just never really had the speed all year. Bit like when Haydn won the championship, and only won 1 race.
I can see why Rossi feels the way he does, not so much the Australia round to be honest, but the last two. However, to come out and say what he has, knowing how much power he has over the media and fans is totally uncalled for. Rossi is so big that he can end a riders career and reputation using the media, just look at everybody he has ever ridden against, anybody that was a real threat to him has been worked over and are generally not liked by the majority of the fans.
He doesn't know for sure whether MM was on the limit the entire race and had nothing left. Or waiting for a last lap move, but then got held up by Dani, etc. At the end of the day MM and Dani, were both much faster than Rossi in the race (granted he had to pass all the other riders, but that shouldb't be a massive challenge for the top 4), so how can he say they weren't riding to there limit? I also feel Rossi's overtakes were just as hard as Marc's in Sepang, and he should have just dealt with it better.
I'm disappointed Rossi didn't just accept that he'd lost this time, instead of blaming everything on Marc. Marc isn't the reason you were not fast enough all year to qualify as well as you should have been. When your qualifying on the 2nd and 3rd row for more than half the races, it isn't normal to be champion at the end of the year.
I also don't argee with all the people saying that the sport has been tornished, etc. There are so many more people interested in motogp the last few weeks. No doubt most will want to see what happens next year, between Rossi/Marc/Lorenzo
Soldato
I don't see why he should. He's shown he's a title contender. He's every bit as fast and actually more consistent as the other three.
Perhaps he's not the fastest lap setter in qualifying, but he's never been Mr Pole !
However he's always been clean. Always battled, always enjoyed the battles and always been passionate. Not to mention 90% of the fans love him. Making the sport that ever more popular. (more so now after MM's antics and JL being such a unlikeable whiner)
Marquez on the other hand, spat his dummy out on the first yr where he struggled. Became vindictive & spiteful and not to be trusted by his team or sponsors. The way a Honda rider protected a Yamaha rider in yesterday's race, is something we've not seen before. Rossi's been around long enough to know the game inside out. Called him out. Which did allow things to snowball. But you know what? Rossi's at his best when he hates his opponent. I think this will all work in his favor for 2016.
MM93 will buckle now he's got fag pics being posted every race, losing fans by the droves and being boo'd at every race. I personally think this was the biggest mistake of his career, and the fact that bodyguarded Lorenzo in the season finale, shows he's quite content to deny Rossi that 10th.
However i do not think for one minute, Lorenzo will return the reach around for MM, if he's personally struggling and its VR vs MM in 2016. Likewise Dani is in for the win. Selfish is he.. He's happily take the help, but he won't repay it. Actually now 2015 is over and done with. You'll probably find he'll want to distance himself from MM93 as much as possible.
So MM what exactly have you achieved? Yes you won by denying VR the strong possibility of getting the 10th, but overall you're the loser. We all had respect for you. We all had you down as the 'chosen' one to replace Rossi, in 2017. But now you'll just be boo'd and hissed at, until you break under pressure. You can already see it in his face, that he's not enjoying it. Not one bit... and it's only going to get worse.. If he was boo'd that loudly at his 'home' race, imagine what's going to go down at other circuits.
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I've got back from Valencia this morning! WOW It's the first MotoGP I've been to in person and It didn't disappoint well other than the result. The whole atmosphere around the place was electric and every time Rossi passed the place erupted.
After watching the MM and Lorenzo and then Pedrosa in the closing stages being held back for my ruined it a little. It was clear MM had the pace in the bike but there are so many if buts and maybes we will never know.
MM and Lorenzo also had a lot of boo's from all the spectators, if that doesn't say anything nothing will about peoples opinions.
I'll see if I can upload some pictures shortly.
After watching the MM and Lorenzo and then Pedrosa in the closing stages being held back for my ruined it a little. It was clear MM had the pace in the bike but there are so many if buts and maybes we will never know.
MM and Lorenzo also had a lot of boo's from all the spectators, if that doesn't say anything nothing will about peoples opinions.
I'll see if I can upload some pictures shortly.
Soldato
[RXP]Andy;28792754 said:
At their home race too... Not very good. Could you imagine everyone booing Barry Sheene at a UK race???????????????. No nor could I.
Sums up what the fans are feeling at the moment.
Soldato
As Rossi put it "it was a Spanish Stitch-up"
If Honda can see in the data that Marquez was actually holding back, then they will not like it one bit...
Testing live on BT sport tomorrow from 9am
FINAL CHAMPIONSHIP STANDINGS
MotoGP World Standing 2015
1 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 330
2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 325
3 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 242
4 Dani PEDROSA Honda SPA 206
5 Andrea IANNONE Ducati ITA 188
6 Bradley SMITH Yamaha GBR 181
7 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 162
8 Cal CRUTCHLOW Honda GBR 125
9 Pol ESPARGARO Yamaha SPA 114
10 Danilo PETRUCCI Ducati ITA 113
11 Aleix ESPARGARO Suzuki SPA 105
12 Maverick VIÑALES Suzuki SPA 97
13 Scott REDDING Honda GBR 84
14 Yonny HERNANDEZ Ducati COL 56
15 Hector BARBERA Ducati SPA 33
16 Alvaro BAUTISTA Aprilia SPA 31
17 Loris BAZ Yamaha Forward FRA 28
18 Stefan BRADL Aprilia GER 17
19 Jack MILLER Honda AUS 17
20 Nicky HAYDEN Honda USA 16
21 Michele PIRRO Ducati ITA 12
22 Eugene LAVERTY Honda IRL 9
23 Katsuyuki NAKASUGA Yamaha JPN 8
24 Mike DI MEGLIO Ducati FRA 8
25 Hiroshi AOYAMA Honda JPN 5
26 Takumi TAKAHASHI Honda JPN 4
27 Toni ELIAS Yamaha Forward SPA 2
28 Alex DE ANGELIS ART RSM 2
Moto2 World Standing 2015
1 Johann ZARCO Kalex FRA 352
2 Alex RINS Kalex SPA 234
3 Tito RABAT Kalex SPA 231
4 Sam LOWES Speed Up GBR 186
5 Thomas LUTHI Kalex SWI 179
6 Jonas FOLGER Kalex GER 163
7 Xavier SIMEON Kalex BEL 113
8 Takaaki NAKAGAMI Kalex JPN 100
9 Lorenzo BALDASSARRI Kalex ITA 96
10 Franco MORBIDELLI Kalex ITA 90
11 Sandro CORTESE Kalex GER 90
12 Simone CORSI Kalex ITA 86
13 Luis SALOM Kalex SPA 80
14 Alex MARQUEZ Kalex SPA 73
15 Mika KALLIO Speed Up FIN 72
16 Hafizh SYAHRIN Kalex MAL 64
17 Dominique AEGERTER Kalex SWI 62
18 Julian SIMON Speed Up SPA 58
19 Axel PONS Kalex SPA 41
20 Marcel SCHROTTER Tech 3 GER 32
21 Randy KRUMMENACHER Kalex SWI 31
22 Anthony WEST Speed Up AUS 30
23 Azlan SHAH Kalex MAL 24
24 Ricard CARDUS Suter SPA 20
25 Louis ROSSI Tech 3 FRA 7
26 Tomoyoshi KOYAMA NTS JPN 3
27 Yuki TAKAHASHI Moriwaki JPN 2
28 Robin MULHAUSER Kalex SWI 1
Moto3 World Standing 2015
1 Danny KENT Honda GBR 260
2 Miguel OLIVEIRA KTM POR 254
3 Enea BASTIANINI Honda ITA 207
4 Romano FENATI KTM ITA 176
5 Niccolò ANTONELLI Honda ITA 174
6 Brad BINDER KTM RSA 159
7 Jorge NAVARRO Honda SPA 157
8 Efren VAZQUEZ Honda SPA 155
9 Isaac VIÑALES KTM SPA 115
10 Fabio QUARTARARO Honda FRA 92
11 John MCPHEE Honda GBR 92
12 Jakub KORNFEIL KTM CZE 89
13 Alexis MASBOU Honda FRA 78
14 Francesco BAGNAIA Mahindra ITA 76
15 Philipp OETTL KTM GER 73
16 Livio LOI Honda BEL 56
17 Jorge MARTIN Mahindra SPA 45
18 Karel HANIKA KTM CZE 43
19 Andrea MIGNO KTM ITA 35
20 Andrea LOCATELLI Honda ITA 33
21 Hiroki ONO Honda JPN 29
22 Niklas AJO KTM FIN 21
23 Zulfahmi KHAIRUDDIN KTM MAL 19
24 Juanfran GUEVARA Mahindra SPA 15
25 Lorenzo DALLA PORTA Husqvarna ITA 13
26 Jules DANILO Honda FRA 12
27 Stefano MANZI Mahindra ITA 10
28 Tatsuki SUZUKI Mahindra JPN 9
29 Maria HERRERA Husqvarna SPA 9
30 Remy GARDNER Mahindra AUS 6
31 Nicolò BULEGA KTM ITA 4
32 Manuel PAGLIANI Mahindra ITA 3
33 Matteo FERRARI Mahindra ITA 1
MotoGP World Standing 2015
1 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 330
2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 325
3 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 242
4 Dani PEDROSA Honda SPA 206
5 Andrea IANNONE Ducati ITA 188
6 Bradley SMITH Yamaha GBR 181
7 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 162
8 Cal CRUTCHLOW Honda GBR 125
9 Pol ESPARGARO Yamaha SPA 114
10 Danilo PETRUCCI Ducati ITA 113
11 Aleix ESPARGARO Suzuki SPA 105
12 Maverick VIÑALES Suzuki SPA 97
13 Scott REDDING Honda GBR 84
14 Yonny HERNANDEZ Ducati COL 56
15 Hector BARBERA Ducati SPA 33
16 Alvaro BAUTISTA Aprilia SPA 31
17 Loris BAZ Yamaha Forward FRA 28
18 Stefan BRADL Aprilia GER 17
19 Jack MILLER Honda AUS 17
20 Nicky HAYDEN Honda USA 16
21 Michele PIRRO Ducati ITA 12
22 Eugene LAVERTY Honda IRL 9
23 Katsuyuki NAKASUGA Yamaha JPN 8
24 Mike DI MEGLIO Ducati FRA 8
25 Hiroshi AOYAMA Honda JPN 5
26 Takumi TAKAHASHI Honda JPN 4
27 Toni ELIAS Yamaha Forward SPA 2
28 Alex DE ANGELIS ART RSM 2
Moto2 World Standing 2015
1 Johann ZARCO Kalex FRA 352
2 Alex RINS Kalex SPA 234
3 Tito RABAT Kalex SPA 231
4 Sam LOWES Speed Up GBR 186
5 Thomas LUTHI Kalex SWI 179
6 Jonas FOLGER Kalex GER 163
7 Xavier SIMEON Kalex BEL 113
8 Takaaki NAKAGAMI Kalex JPN 100
9 Lorenzo BALDASSARRI Kalex ITA 96
10 Franco MORBIDELLI Kalex ITA 90
11 Sandro CORTESE Kalex GER 90
12 Simone CORSI Kalex ITA 86
13 Luis SALOM Kalex SPA 80
14 Alex MARQUEZ Kalex SPA 73
15 Mika KALLIO Speed Up FIN 72
16 Hafizh SYAHRIN Kalex MAL 64
17 Dominique AEGERTER Kalex SWI 62
18 Julian SIMON Speed Up SPA 58
19 Axel PONS Kalex SPA 41
20 Marcel SCHROTTER Tech 3 GER 32
21 Randy KRUMMENACHER Kalex SWI 31
22 Anthony WEST Speed Up AUS 30
23 Azlan SHAH Kalex MAL 24
24 Ricard CARDUS Suter SPA 20
25 Louis ROSSI Tech 3 FRA 7
26 Tomoyoshi KOYAMA NTS JPN 3
27 Yuki TAKAHASHI Moriwaki JPN 2
28 Robin MULHAUSER Kalex SWI 1
Moto3 World Standing 2015
1 Danny KENT Honda GBR 260
2 Miguel OLIVEIRA KTM POR 254
3 Enea BASTIANINI Honda ITA 207
4 Romano FENATI KTM ITA 176
5 Niccolò ANTONELLI Honda ITA 174
6 Brad BINDER KTM RSA 159
7 Jorge NAVARRO Honda SPA 157
8 Efren VAZQUEZ Honda SPA 155
9 Isaac VIÑALES KTM SPA 115
10 Fabio QUARTARARO Honda FRA 92
11 John MCPHEE Honda GBR 92
12 Jakub KORNFEIL KTM CZE 89
13 Alexis MASBOU Honda FRA 78
14 Francesco BAGNAIA Mahindra ITA 76
15 Philipp OETTL KTM GER 73
16 Livio LOI Honda BEL 56
17 Jorge MARTIN Mahindra SPA 45
18 Karel HANIKA KTM CZE 43
19 Andrea MIGNO KTM ITA 35
20 Andrea LOCATELLI Honda ITA 33
21 Hiroki ONO Honda JPN 29
22 Niklas AJO KTM FIN 21
23 Zulfahmi KHAIRUDDIN KTM MAL 19
24 Juanfran GUEVARA Mahindra SPA 15
25 Lorenzo DALLA PORTA Husqvarna ITA 13
26 Jules DANILO Honda FRA 12
27 Stefano MANZI Mahindra ITA 10
28 Tatsuki SUZUKI Mahindra JPN 9
29 Maria HERRERA Husqvarna SPA 9
30 Remy GARDNER Mahindra AUS 6
31 Nicolò BULEGA KTM ITA 4
32 Manuel PAGLIANI Mahindra ITA 3
33 Matteo FERRARI Mahindra ITA 1
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What an absolute farce the end of this season was!
Associate
22nd May 2016 in Italy will be interesting for the two Spaniards, especially MM 
Hahaha
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The single ECU that is coming in this year, is that the same unit that Ducati have used all this year?
It'll be interested to see whether the ECU and tyre changes mixes things up a little bit at the front. Hopefully it'll bring Ducati a little bit closer, and Suzuki once they get there new gearbox working.
It'll be interested to see whether the ECU and tyre changes mixes things up a little bit at the front. Hopefully it'll bring Ducati a little bit closer, and Suzuki once they get there new gearbox working.
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Lasty 4 or 5 races he was probably in the best form he's ever been in. I don't think he's ever had a full season were he's been 100% fit. It's thought that the last 2-3 years he's had this issue with his arms that messed up the start of his year. Looks like it might be sorted now. So if next years Honda is good and he can stay fit, I wouldn't be surprised to see him challenging.
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Just been watching the the tests on btsport 1.Seems the michelin rear is good but riders not happy with the front
Testing, which took place between 10am and 5pm, continues on Wednesday...
1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 31.551s (Lap 10/47)
2. Andrea Iannone ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 31.639s +0.088s (30/61)
3. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 31.681s +0.130s (11/49)
4. Maverick Vinales ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 31.720s +0.169s (36/59)
5. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 31.767s +0.216s (32/41)
6. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 31.911s +0.360s (8/54)
7. Pol Espargaro ESP Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 31.937s +0.386s (10/40)
8. Bradley Smith GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 31.997s +0.446s (32/67)
9. Aleix Espargaro ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 32.005s +0.454s (36/47)
10. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 32.073s +0.522s (57/66)
11. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 32.214s +0.663s (30/52)
12. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 32.401s +0.850s (45/57)
13. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 32.442s +0.891s (46/47)
14. Hector Barbera ESP Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 32.468s +0.917s (35/38)
15. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 32.594s +1.043s (33/47)
16. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 32.673s +1.122s (82/84)
17. Stefan Bradl GER Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 32.721s +1.170s (34/46)
18. Loris Baz FRA Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 32.943s +1.392s (52/53)
19. Yonny Hernandez COL Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 33.046s +1.495s (31/57)
20. Alvaro Bautista ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 33.061s +1.510s (66/66)
21. Eugene Laverty IRL Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 33.253s +1.702s (39/46)
22. Takuya Tsuda JPN Suzuki Test Rider (GSX-RR) 1m 34.591s +3.040s (54/55)
23. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Suzuki Test Rider (GSX-RR) 1m 36.338s +4.787s (12/24)
Official Valencia MotoGP records:
Best lap:
Jorge Lorenzo SPA Yamaha 1m 30.011s (2015)
Fastest race lap:
Jorge Lorenzo SPA Yamaha 1m 31.367s (2015)
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results...-times-tuesday-final.html#WRxQdK6yC4EIQlbO.99
1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 31.551s (Lap 10/47)
2. Andrea Iannone ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 31.639s +0.088s (30/61)
3. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 31.681s +0.130s (11/49)
4. Maverick Vinales ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 31.720s +0.169s (36/59)
5. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 31.767s +0.216s (32/41)
6. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 31.911s +0.360s (8/54)
7. Pol Espargaro ESP Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 31.937s +0.386s (10/40)
8. Bradley Smith GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 31.997s +0.446s (32/67)
9. Aleix Espargaro ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 32.005s +0.454s (36/47)
10. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 32.073s +0.522s (57/66)
11. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 32.214s +0.663s (30/52)
12. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 32.401s +0.850s (45/57)
13. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 32.442s +0.891s (46/47)
14. Hector Barbera ESP Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 32.468s +0.917s (35/38)
15. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 32.594s +1.043s (33/47)
16. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 32.673s +1.122s (82/84)
17. Stefan Bradl GER Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 32.721s +1.170s (34/46)
18. Loris Baz FRA Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 32.943s +1.392s (52/53)
19. Yonny Hernandez COL Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 33.046s +1.495s (31/57)
20. Alvaro Bautista ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 33.061s +1.510s (66/66)
21. Eugene Laverty IRL Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 33.253s +1.702s (39/46)
22. Takuya Tsuda JPN Suzuki Test Rider (GSX-RR) 1m 34.591s +3.040s (54/55)
23. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Suzuki Test Rider (GSX-RR) 1m 36.338s +4.787s (12/24)
Official Valencia MotoGP records:
Best lap:
Jorge Lorenzo SPA Yamaha 1m 30.011s (2015)
Fastest race lap:
Jorge Lorenzo SPA Yamaha 1m 31.367s (2015)
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results...-times-tuesday-final.html#WRxQdK6yC4EIQlbO.99