Soldato
No, the softs are always red, mediums always yellow and hards white. It doesn't matter if they're the C1/2/3 etc compound, the colours always match the name.
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I'm sure we have discussed this tyre system already....
The above article is not very well written, it talks about what is happening at the first 4 races but embeds a tweet which is specifically to talking about what is happening during testing as they will have all 5 tyres available. It's normally a good idea to read what it actually says before dropping a rage bomb in the internet.
All you will see on race day is the same 3 colours, the hardest being white and the softest being red. In reality they could be one of 3 compounds (C1-5) depending on the track.
Hopefully DC and Crofty don't feel the need to explain the specific compounds available every time there is a pit stop. That will start grinding my gears as much as they did it before explaining umpteen tyres every race.
The above article is not very well written, it talks about what is happening at the first 4 races but embeds a tweet which is specifically to talking about what is happening during testing as they will have all 5 tyres available. It's normally a good idea to read what it actually says before dropping a rage bomb in the internet.
All you will see on race day is the same 3 colours, the hardest being white and the softest being red. In reality they could be one of 3 compounds (C1-5) depending on the track.
Hopefully DC and Crofty don't feel the need to explain the specific compounds available every time there is a pit stop. That will start grinding my gears as much as they did it before explaining umpteen tyres every race.
Pretty sure they will have been briefed to refer to the soft/med/hard and not explain the underlying compounds every time a tyre is mentioned. They're trying to make it easier to understand for a wider audience. The detailed information will still be made available to hardcore fans.
Soldato
100% Crofty will do this and confuse things even more. They still explain the DRS system and the fact you have to use both tyre compounds at every race...
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"If you're new to F1....."
I have come to fear those words as it normally means SHOUTY CROFTY trying to explain the pit stop strategies or tyre compounds in a terribly awkward conversation.
I have come to fear those words as it normally means SHOUTY CROFTY trying to explain the pit stop strategies or tyre compounds in a terribly awkward conversation.
Soldato
Pirelli are a bunch of idiots.
New F1 watcher..So at Melbourne we have C2 C3 and C4 tires?
Normal F1 viewer. Yes
New F1 watcher. At the next race it's C1 C2 C3, so the C2 and C3 are the same tires as the last race.
Normal F1 viewer. No. The first race was Soft(C2)/Super-soft(C3) and Ultra-soft(C4)
At the next race it's Medium(C1)/Soft(C2) and Super-soft(C3). But at Shanghai C2 will be Medium and C3 will now become Soft and so on.
New F1 watcher **** this I'm off to watch MotoGP
Crofty will start shouting about it.
New F1 watcher..So at Melbourne we have C2 C3 and C4 tires?
Normal F1 viewer. Yes
New F1 watcher. At the next race it's C1 C2 C3, so the C2 and C3 are the same tires as the last race.
Normal F1 viewer. No. The first race was Soft(C2)/Super-soft(C3) and Ultra-soft(C4)
At the next race it's Medium(C1)/Soft(C2) and Super-soft(C3). But at Shanghai C2 will be Medium and C3 will now become Soft and so on.
New F1 watcher **** this I'm off to watch MotoGP
Crofty will start shouting about it.
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Pirelli are a bunch of idiots.
New F1 watcher..So at Melbourne we have C2 C3 and C4 tires?
Normal F1 viewer. Yes
New F1 watcher. At the next race it's C1 C2 C3, so the C2 and C3 are the same tires as the last race.
Normal F1 viewer. No. The first race was Soft(C2)/Super-soft(C4) and Ultra-soft(C4)
At the next race it's Medium(C1)/Soft(C2) and Super-soft(C3). But at Shanghai C2 will be Medium and C3 will now become Soft and so on.
New F1 watcher **** this I'm off to watch MotoGP
Crofty will start shouting about it.
That's what I said, and got shouted down for it
Soldato
Except all will be displayed is hard/medium/soft not C1, C2 C3.... The exact compound doesn't matter other than car X is on the soft and car Y is on the hard, its pretty simple.
The reality of it is even last year the 'soft' tyre wasn't the same 'soft' at all the races, a few races they were modified to have lower tread depth and some seasons then even changed the compound half way though.
Remember when they used to refer to them as 'prime' and 'option' rather than the compound, it's basically going back to that but using words which reflect the relative performance of the tyre.
The reality of it is even last year the 'soft' tyre wasn't the same 'soft' at all the races, a few races they were modified to have lower tread depth and some seasons then even changed the compound half way though.
Remember when they used to refer to them as 'prime' and 'option' rather than the compound, it's basically going back to that but using words which reflect the relative performance of the tyre.
Don
Except it won't - they will always be Hard/Medium/Soft, White/Yellow/Red. Yes the Compound number will change between circuits, but from a viewer's point of view that doesn't and shouldn't matter (or even need to be communicated).
The link posted earlier is misleading as goes on about all of the compounds as they are being tested
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/140600/first-tyre-allocation-under-new-system-revealed
The below tweet is more relevant and hopefully clears things up
Soldato
They should have simply numbered the dry compounds, with the softest and least durable being numbered 1, with the hardest and most durable being 5 (if there are 5 dry compounds).
You then tell the fans "At Spa, teams will be offered 2,3 and 4. At Monza they will be offered 1,2,3" etc.
Naming compounds soft/medium/hard each week when that "soft" could be 1/2/3 depending upon the venue is going to confuse new watchers.
You then tell the fans "At Spa, teams will be offered 2,3 and 4. At Monza they will be offered 1,2,3" etc.
Naming compounds soft/medium/hard each week when that "soft" could be 1/2/3 depending upon the venue is going to confuse new watchers.
Don
But they don't need to know that it's 1/2/3.... that's the point. Every week the red soft tyre will be much quicker than the yellow or white tyres - whether it's got a different composition at each track doesn't actually matter.
I already posed this, it was ignored...
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This is exactly what they have done, but for simplicity sake during the race it's S/M/H. No doubt the exact compound will be covered in the Sky/C4 coverage for at least 45 seconds every 15 mins and every time someone changes tyres.
Calling it 1,2,3,4,5 cases issues when compounds 1, 3 and 5 are in use for instance, it leaves voids of information about why 2 and 4 aren't being used. Also whats faster 1 or 5? The names have no context just like ultra and hyper soft.
Soldato
Haha, thanks. I thought they’d changed it judging by the linked tweet posted.
Much better.
Soldato
It makes sense for the casual fan to have soft, medium, hard and consistent colours. It's an easily understood relative set of terms. It got ridiculous with four different "soft" tyres and I still can't remember if the super, ultra or hyper was "softer" despite 30+ years of watching F1. All I need to know is relatively which driver is on the faster tyre.
It's only us F1 nerds who will pick over the actual component compound trying to compare some largely irrelevant technical detail. I'm fine with letters, in the Goodyear days it was A to C (hard to soft).
It's only us F1 nerds who will pick over the actual component compound trying to compare some largely irrelevant technical detail. I'm fine with letters, in the Goodyear days it was A to C (hard to soft).
Soldato
Well try to explain to a new comer why
"At the next race it's Medium(C1)/Soft(C2) and Super-soft(C3). But at Shanghai C2 will be Medium and C3 will now become Soft and so on."
You think that people who watch it won't ask why in one race C2 is faster, then another C2 is slower but goes longer?
The only people who won't think it are the ones that watch a race and say "yep, it's boring and they can't even get the tire names right"
Soldato
You're missing the larger point - a new comer won't care.
All they need to know is that "at this race a soft tyre is expected to last N laps, and the medium will go N+X laps, so teams are looking at a 2 stop strategy, with a 1 stop possible if the drivers can manage the tyre degradation". Simple as.
This is a very simple concept which, as was mentioned previously, happened before in the Michelin/Bridgestone days, but you just didn't hear about it. People seem to want to overcomplicate it so they can be annoyed for absolutely no good reason.
All they need to know is that "at this race a soft tyre is expected to last N laps, and the medium will go N+X laps, so teams are looking at a 2 stop strategy, with a 1 stop possible if the drivers can manage the tyre degradation". Simple as.
This is a very simple concept which, as was mentioned previously, happened before in the Michelin/Bridgestone days, but you just didn't hear about it. People seem to want to overcomplicate it so they can be annoyed for absolutely no good reason.
Don
Done right e.g. without Crofty and Brundle even mentioning it, then a new comer shouldn't even know that there are different actual compound numbers.
If they want to include it in some way for more technical viewers, then it just needs to feature basically the above tweet on the FOM graphics somewhere, in the same way that they used to show which compounds were available.
Soldato
You are missing the point - it's highly unlikely to happen. They see the comparative ratings for that race of soft, medium and hard. They don't car about the chemical composition of that weeks medium tyre, that's for the Stig to use as an excuse for Ferrari being slow.