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Armageus said:
Absolute rubbish, assume Mercedes have made a complaint
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Yep.

Merc had a moan about red bull's pit stop equipment.

In other news it looks like Hamilton is running scared of Russell.

"Hamilton made it clear he believes the team should stick with the same line-up.

“Valtteri is my team now and we’ve both of us had our ups and downs in our careers,” he said. “But as I said, I think he is a fantastic team mate and I don’t necessarily see that it needs to change.”

https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/24...ct-talks-wants-bottas-to-remain-as-team-mate/
 
I don't recall any F1 car entering a live track with in an insecure wheel in a long time. Both Haas cars at Melbourne in 2018 perhaps? Normally they're told to pull over at the end of the pitlane or immediately afterwards, long before the wheel has come loose (and before posing any real danger, though a loose wheel injured several mechanics at Imola in 1994). Maybe an F2 car, though again none immediately spring to mind.

Graham Rahal's wheel came off exiting the pits at the Indy 500 last month though, which was subsequently struck by Conor Daly. Now with Aeroscreens and halos that shouldn't be a problem for the drivers, but it's still an issue for marshal and spectator safety. Perhaps that was the catalyst?
 
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this_is_gav said:
I don't recall any F1 car entering a live track with in an insecure wheel in a long time. Both Haas cars at Melbourne in 2018 perhaps? Normally they're told to pull over at the end of the pitlane or immediately afterwards, long before the wheel has come loose (and before posing any real danger, though a loose wheel injured several mechanics at Imola in 1994). Maybe an F2 car, though again none immediately spring to mind.

Graham Rahal's wheel came off exiting the pits at the Indy 500 last month though, which was subsequently struck by Conor Daly. Now with Aeroscreens and halos that shouldn't be a problem for the drivers, but it's still an issue for marshal and spectator safety. Perhaps that was the catalyst?
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What about that camera person that was not only hit but also received some pretty serious injuries when hit by a stray wheel?

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/1...by-tyre-suffered-a-broken-collarbone-and-ribs

I can see the FIA's point of view, these detachments are 100% human error, dangerous, they happen way too often and cars do make it to the track with their wheels not attached.
 
It's not only the dangerous incidents like cars with loose wheels being allowed onto track though.

Slow down the whole process, make sure they do each part properly with sensors etc. and maybe incidents like Bottas' wheel nut being shredded will not happen either.
 
Entai said:
Slow down the whole process, make sure they do each part properly with sensors etc. and maybe incidents like Bottas' wheel nut being shredded will not happen either.
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Why have pit stops at all then - if all risk is removed, what is the "benefit" to the "show"?
 
SoliD said:
By removing tech and placing more emphasis on the human part which is failing. Which will now be under more pressure and probably lead to more failures and an increase in risk.
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How is it removing tech, when they are adding in various extra sensors that will not allow the next part of the process to cocvur untill previous part is properly finished.

At least that's how I read it.
 
Entai said:
How is it removing tech, when they are adding in various extra sensors that will not allow the next part of the process to cocvur untill previous part is properly finished.

At least that's how I read it.
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I read it the other way in that it is putting everything on to the individual at each corner and removing sensors that currently assist them in doing the pitstop at these rapid paces. so they'll still be trying to go as quick but without these aids which in my head will lead to more failures and issues.
 
Are there no other track designers? Just looks like another boring selection of large constant radius corners with a random small corner thrown in between.

Lol at the pit stop issue. I say bring back refueling while they're at it. This is the top level. There needs to be pressure, risk and reward. Yes, get the safety implemented first and it'll be as safe as it can be, but making it more and more sterile is just painful. Leave that to WEC or FE.
 
Ryan-3 said:
Are there no other track designers? Just looks like another boring selection of large constant radius corners with a random small corner thrown in between.
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There are. The company which did Suzuka also did the Singapore track, which I know has its doubters, but that's the nature of the location, and if you ask me it's still one of the better tracks over the last couple of decades.

It looks like an OK touring car circuit. Kind of reminds me of the Valencia permanent circuit without the good bits or a flat (except for the last corner) and camber-less Nurburgring.
 
Armageus said:
Why have pit stops at all then - if all risk is removed, what is the "benefit" to the "show"?
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2005 season?
In fact it would be even worse since there’s no refuelling
So tyres would have to last the whole race with enough fuel till the end
Can you imagine Pirelli pulling this off?
 
CSMonkeh said:
2005 season?
In fact it would be even worse since there’s no refuelling
So tyres would have to last the whole race with enough fuel till the end
Can you imagine Pirelli pulling this off?
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It would be so much worse. The way I see it is that it really doesn't matter anymore. Simulation and strategy teams are so far advanced now that they will all very quickly adapt to what ever regulation is put in place and converge on roughly the same strategy with minor variations to take advantage of any possible incidents that happen or nuances specific to the track.
I'd prefer to see more options for divergence in strategy not less. I've always wanted a return to in race refuelling. However that said I do get that its expensive, unsafe, and again, teams will just converge on similar optimum strategies and end up back at square one.

I feel that regardless of what you do until there is less strict regulation of cars, performance and innovation (Sacrificing huge cost and safety), F1 will continue to be stuck in the situation it is.
 
SoliD said:
I read it the other way in that it is putting everything on to the individual at each corner and removing sensors that currently assist them in doing the pitstop at these rapid paces. so they'll still be trying to go as quick but without these aids which in my head will lead to more failures and issues.
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Hmm putting more of a human element into it. I can see that going wrong fast. Humans fail much more often than technology.

this_is_gav said:
It looks like an OK touring car circuit. Kind of reminds me of the Valencia permanent circuit without the good bits or a flat (except for the last corner) and camber-less Nurburgring.
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Sochi replaced Valencia as the worst circuit on the calendar. I'm not sure there a track reminding you of Valencia is a good thing. It was such a boring featureless track, based around an industrial area.

Valencia itself though is nice so long as you stay in the Centro historico.
 
englishpremier said:
Sochi replaced Valencia as the worst circuit on the calendar. I'm not sure there a track reminding you of Valencia is a good thing. It was such a boring featureless track, based around an industrial area.
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You're thinking of another track, the street circuit. I'm talking about the permanent road circuit (Circuit Ricardo Tormo) which is used for bikes, was used for Formula E earlier this year and was a popular F1 testing track until the hybrid era.
 
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