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Mourinho Sacked
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I guess it depends where you draw the line, if you reach the final then you are part of that big experience, but I imagine some fans would prefer to win a domestic cup to reaching the CL semi. Even the final, if you lose it, can be a bit harrowing. 2006 final is a case in point, was obviously a massive rush when we took the lead and played so well with 10 men, but then there was the offside Eto'o goal and you kind of reflect and say actually was e.g. winning FA Cups better than losing a final in Europe, especially that way.
Losing the CL final, yeah it's probably a bigger achievement than winning the FA Cup but you finish on a downer, you don't get the same reward at the end of it. I mean you heard these tales of players basically discarding their runners up medals right? I imagine it's a bigger sense of pride showing people winners medals than losers medals, even if the route to get the latter was harder.
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No one remembers 2nd place in the CL...
I disagree, the CL final is such a showpiece event that if it was a dramatic finale then people remember the participants. Take 2005 for example, that was over 15 years ago, yet plenty remember the runner-up. 1999 was in the previous millenium, and people remember who lost.
The point is though that being remembered isn't the same thing as being happy as a fan.
The point is though that being remembered isn't the same thing as being happy as a fan.
Aye, it's finals that people remember, rather than the runner up. People remember those finals as much as the winners (maybe not 1999, as that was remarkable for pure Man U spawn, no-one remembers that Bayern battered them for large parts of the game.) The Istanbul Final is a thing on it's own though.
Difficult to to say if I'd rather win a trophy than make a final. It's all hindsight. TBH, with regards the FA Cup and definitely the League Cup, unless we win it, I'd rather go out in the 1st round. Europe is a bit different, you get to see your team play against teams from other football cultures, which is interesting in itself. Winning the FA Cup can be a bit meh nowadays for the big fellas. City's win in 2019 (not just the final, but the teams they played along the way) made it only remarkable for being so dull. Would I take that over a CL final? No chance.
Difficult to to say if I'd rather win a trophy than make a final. It's all hindsight. TBH, with regards the FA Cup and definitely the League Cup, unless we win it, I'd rather go out in the 1st round. Europe is a bit different, you get to see your team play against teams from other football cultures, which is interesting in itself. Winning the FA Cup can be a bit meh nowadays for the big fellas. City's win in 2019 (not just the final, but the teams they played along the way) made it only remarkable for being so dull. Would I take that over a CL final? No chance.
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Lol. Did you watch them?
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Just like no one remembers both Roy Keane and Paul Scholes were out for the final and we still won.
Lolz.
1999 was pure spawn, but 2005 wasn't?
Funny how Bayern 'battered United for large parts of the game' while managing to have less possession, less shots on target.
While 2005 you don't say the same about despite Milan having 7 more shots than Liverpool, 3 more on target, more possession.
And of course United did manage to win their 'spawny' game, not draw it. And that's ignoring Stevie Starfish 'winning' your penalty. And Dudek not being penalised for nearly being on the penalty spot he was so far off the line for his saves.
just presenting the opposite view - maybe you might see that to non-Liverpool fans 2005 looked just as 'spawny' as 1999.
Lolz.
1999 was pure spawn, but 2005 wasn't?
Funny how Bayern 'battered United for large parts of the game' while managing to have less possession, less shots on target.
While 2005 you don't say the same about despite Milan having 7 more shots than Liverpool, 3 more on target, more possession.
And of course United did manage to win their 'spawny' game, not draw it. And that's ignoring Stevie Starfish 'winning' your penalty. And Dudek not being penalised for nearly being on the penalty spot he was so far off the line for his saves.
just presenting the opposite view - maybe you might see that to non-Liverpool fans 2005 looked just as 'spawny' as 1999.
Ha ha. Yeah, maybe, to people who don't watch or understand football.
Bayern controlled that game. Scored early and never looked like conceding. How many times did they hit the woodwork? Was it once or twice? Liverpool on the other hand tactically shifted the game in the 2nd half and broke that Milan side, which was one of the best in history, pretty much for good too.
Every football game needs a bit of luck to win. Especially finals. Shove your "opposite" view back up your own starfish mate.
Yep, no one remembers that. Who TF cares?
Who remembers that Djimi Traore is a European Cup winner?
Man. that's a special kind of controlling a game against a team with their entire midfield missing, where you have less possession, concede more chances on goal than you manage to create yourself, and lose.
Actually, this is a very fitting thread for it - it must be that 'passive control' I seem to remember him going on about when he was doing to United what he just did to Spurs.
Actually, this is a very fitting thread for it - it must be that 'passive control' I seem to remember him going on about when he was doing to United what he just did to Spurs.
You do realise that in games (especially finals) where one side takes the lead, it's normal for the other side to try and score an equaliser by creating and attempting a greater number and poorer quality chances than they would at 0-0? and that the team with the goal lead often concedes some possession in controlling the game?
That doesn't mean the team doing the chasing are having the better game.
You do know that don't you? You do watch football?
And far superior teams often control a match by allowing their opponents multiple shots on target.
You can control a game with possession. You can drop deep and deny your opponent chances (although I'd struggle to call that 'controlling').
But having significantly less possession, conceding more chances on your goal, and claiming that is controlling the game? Nah.
What they did is defended well, and threatened United on the counter. They did not control the game, and they absolutely did not batter United.
Unlike Liverpool - who were absolutely walloped in the first half in 2005, and were bleeding lucky to only be 3 goals down.
It was a fairly good comeback, I'll concede.
You can control a game with possession. You can drop deep and deny your opponent chances (although I'd struggle to call that 'controlling').
But having significantly less possession, conceding more chances on your goal, and claiming that is controlling the game? Nah.
What they did is defended well, and threatened United on the counter. They did not control the game, and they absolutely did not batter United.
Unlike Liverpool - who were absolutely walloped in the first half in 2005, and were bleeding lucky to only be 3 goals down.
It was a fairly good comeback, I'll concede.
I'm not having any of this. The possession stats were fairly even. Total shots during the game were 15 each, with little that doubt the quality of the chances created by Bayern were far superior. Man United didn't look like scoring until Solksjaer came on in the 80th minute, by which time Bayern were 1-0, had hit the woodwork twice and could easily have been 4 or 5 nil up. Thanks for making me read a match report though. Like I wanted to relive it.
It was literally one of the most spawny wins I've ever watched. All power to yous.
Like I said, you need some luck in football and especially finals.
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Guys wake up, new Mourinho third season sacking dropped.
Where to next? Saudi? Chelsea 3.0? Newcastle?
Where to next? Saudi? Chelsea 3.0? Newcastle?
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Shame, I've grown to like Mourinho over the years; he's always good entertainment and frankly his record speaks for itself too; it was increasingly looking like he didn't want to stay there beyond his contract expiry at the end of the season though.
I can't see him going to Saudi to be honest, unlike some of the dross that has gone out there to manage looking for a payday (Gerrard for example) Mourinho doesn't need to go there to get paid an absolute fortune.
I think he's got another big club job in him yet before he ends up managing a national team; Chelsea 3.0? You never know - if (probably when) Poch gets sacked who else is going to want to step into that poisoned chalice of a role; could be a big feather in the cap for Newcastle though it has to be said.
Frankly I think the Roma owners are a bit delusional about their expectations; he's had little money this year and they've been bang average for years; they'll no doubt replace him with one of the "jobs for the boys" Italian brigade who will also end up sacked at season end.
I can't see him going to Saudi to be honest, unlike some of the dross that has gone out there to manage looking for a payday (Gerrard for example) Mourinho doesn't need to go there to get paid an absolute fortune.
I think he's got another big club job in him yet before he ends up managing a national team; Chelsea 3.0? You never know - if (probably when) Poch gets sacked who else is going to want to step into that poisoned chalice of a role; could be a big feather in the cap for Newcastle though it has to be said.
Frankly I think the Roma owners are a bit delusional about their expectations; he's had little money this year and they've been bang average for years; they'll no doubt replace him with one of the "jobs for the boys" Italian brigade who will also end up sacked at season end.
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Maybe Jose will end up at Newcastle?
When you look up his time at United it was a reasonable success. Not to SAF standard but compared to everything since. Especially when you look at the players he had to work with in that 81 point season was fair game and he won 2 trophies and a FA cup final.
The 95 point season and 100 point/89 goal difference season in La Liga have to be all time massive achievements.
His stock got tarnished a lot by the United job but that is a poisoned chalice for anyone really but at the time I don't think it was realised. Further compounded by taking the Spurs job.
He won Roma a first trophy in donkeys years and got to a European final the next. I am not sure what else he could have given?
When you look up his time at United it was a reasonable success. Not to SAF standard but compared to everything since. Especially when you look at the players he had to work with in that 81 point season was fair game and he won 2 trophies and a FA cup final.
The 95 point season and 100 point/89 goal difference season in La Liga have to be all time massive achievements.
His stock got tarnished a lot by the United job but that is a poisoned chalice for anyone really but at the time I don't think it was realised. Further compounded by taking the Spurs job.
He won Roma a first trophy in donkeys years and got to a European final the next. I am not sure what else he could have given?