moving over to apple... is it worth it?

Faustus said:
I can honestly say I have never heard this mentioned before. On of the plus points of Apple for me is how all my Apple products work beautifully together whether by wi-fi or wired. A dropped connection is unheard of and I suspect your fault lies elsewhere.
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Really?! It's a common problem mentioned all over the place! Just look at the latest air thread on here as an example. My 2011 air had the same problem and the update still hasn't sorted it completely. The problem is I have a number of other devices that use wifi and I've very rarely had any problem with those so...

Faustus said:
I have taken my iPad into the garden once or twice, but that has been the limit of my foray into mobile computing, apart from my smartphone.

I've never been in Starbucks either.
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Well some people travel around with their products... A desktop for working at home (or at least a dock for a powerful laptop connected to a home server/big screen/keyboard/mouse), small laptop for portable work, small tablet (iPad mini, nexus 7 etc) for daily travel and a smartphone for everyday use is perfect, if a little annoying syncing all together...:p
 
I've never had any problems with any wifi on any of my apple devices, but I know just how many people have.

But i'll remind you of the time capsule thread though, he won't be able to accept this. He's always right.

*Now away to sell all electrical equipment, replacing them with wood and oil lamps.
 
Ryan-3 said:
I've never had any problems with any wifi on any of my apple devices, but I know just how many people have.

But i'll remind you of the time capsule thread though, he won't be able to accept this. He's always right.

*Now away to sell all electrical equipment, replacing them with wood and oil lamps.
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If you are going to follow me from thread to thread with your constant off colour comments then I will report you to the mods. Simply because we disagreed as to the merits of a Time Capsule unless it was used as a full blown router does not give you the right to troll.
 
Faustus said:
If you are going to follow me from thread to thread with your constant off colour comments then I will report you to the mods. Simply because we disagreed as to the merits of a Time Capsule unless it was used as a full blown router does not give you the right to troll.
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I followed you here three days ago?

The main thing what confuses me is how Apple products are great one second, but because of something not to taste, it makes Apple have terrible products no-one should buy.

To get the thread back on track, moving to using apple gear is certainly worth it - unless you are aiming to play the latest games on the machine. For everyday, they often have something to cover everybody, from their computers, ipods, ipad, etc..
 
I use both machines, Windows 8 desktop and I also have a MacBook Air. I'm leaning more towards an iMac when I replace my PC as I'm gaming less. One thing I utterly hate on Mac OS is the crap window re-sizing, it just stinks. Nothing saves a default size, maximise/minimise never works except on a select few apps so I have downloaded MOOM (Move and Zoom) that adds Windows 7 window snapping and resizing options to the OS:) Once you add that it is a joy to use!
 
Larrs888 said:
I use both machines, Windows 8 desktop and I also have a MacBook Air. I'm leaning more towards an iMac when I replace my PC as I'm gaming less. One thing I utterly hate on Mac OS is the crap window re-sizing, it just stinks. Nothing saves a default size, maximise/minimise never works except on a select few apps so I have downloaded MOOM (Move and Zoom) that adds Windows 7 window snapping and resizing options to the OS:) Once you add that it is a joy to use!
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Same here, I use moom and a few other apps (So I can use keyboard shortcuts to do things). I don't really understand why these things aren't baked into the OS, its mostly on Windows and Linux distros. Was hoping it would come to mavericks but it didn't :(
 
Preview really annoys me if we're back on OSX annoyances. Preview is great unless you want to view more than one file... I still haven't found a way of easily going through images on OSX in 2 years. It's a massive pain, even more than Finder is. You can use preview to scroll through images, but you can't zoom in which is useless. Or you can double click the image and use the viewer to zoom in, however you can't scroll through images unless you select every single one you want to scroll through. This means you spend a lot of time aimlessly double clicking images to view them rather than with the windows picture viewer just clicking on one and scrolling back and forwards and zooming in...

Alongside that Finder... Aside from all the usual faults I found another annoying one today. To select multiple images in a row you use shift, like in windows, however unlike in windows if you have the tile view (so you can actually see the images you are trying to select - say you want to separate the photos of one trip into one folder and the others into a second, not a particularly niche way of doing things...) you can't do that, using shift just selects individual files. It's inconsistencies like that that really make me realise more and more that OSX is just a server/text OS with an GUI bolted on top. It's why Terminal is so much more important than Command Prompt in Windows. I could use iPhoto to import and sort my photos, however that hides all the photos in a folder system which cannot be accessed by image editing software like Photoshop, kinda negating the whole point of importing the photos in the first place... The only way you can access the photos after import is to go into the folders created by iPhoto and copy the images into a second folder to be accessed by PS, meaning you have two copies of the same files...

I must be one of the few people on earth who's productivity in photo and video editing/sorting plummets when using a Mac running OSX. It makes no sense how people suggest it's better for that task! For internet browsing it's a dream generally, for anything remotely creative it's a pain in the ******* ****.

(Can you tell I've just had another frustrating evening battling with OSX? Maybe I need another two years before I start to "get" it, although I can't be the only one that has these problems) And yeah, the resize thing is rubbish as well.

McBain said:
Get a Macbook Air and put W8 on it.
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Agree 100%

The MBA hardware is awesome (if a little plain in the design department), software sucks unless you just browse the internet.
 
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Coming from Linux I find the Preview terrible as well.

How is it that windows and gnome can get it right but Apple's user experience testing hasn't yet uncovered that people need to be able to easily scroll through a large number of photos. Or that in Finder people might want multiple windows or tabs open.

Still, my Macbook Air is my favourite bit of kit. I wish wifi would always reconnect after sleeping. I often have to turn off wifi and then back on to reconnect.
 
englishpremier said:
Coming from Linux I find the Preview terrible as well.

How is it that windows and gnome can get it right but Apple's user experience testing hasn't yet uncovered that people need to be able to easily scroll through a large number of photos. Or that in Finder people might want multiple windows or tabs open.

Still, my Macbook Air is my favourite bit of kit. I wish wifi would always reconnect after sleeping. I often have to turn off wifi and then back on to reconnect.
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Thing that annoys me to now end is that I need things like moom to have any sort of decent application management, and for the life off me I don't understand why these things are not baked into the OS. Linux has it and Windows has it to some extent (they don't offer more workspaces so don't need those features).
 
You don't necessarily need to move over to Apple but as for buying laptops you might as well get yourself a MBP over any other as it will stand the test of time all for an extra £400-£500. This would have gone on another laptop halfway through a MBP's lifetime. Also forget the air it's a rip.
 
PooBrain said:
You don't necessarily need to move over to Apple but as for buying laptops you might as well get yourself a MBP over any other as it will stand the test of time all for an extra £400-£500. This would have gone on another laptop halfway through a MBP's lifetime. Also forget the air it's a rip.
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Not exactly true, it depends how will you look after your laptop, my Dell XPS M1530 lasted longer then all my other friends laptops, 3 of which where MBPs (2008).
 
How long it will last is entirely dependant upon what you need it for. If all is needed is web browsing, email and basic stuff an old iBook would suffice ;)

Get whichever one you like the best. I personally favour the air for that extra portability you get from it being so light, but then generally the MBPs aren't that heavy these days. Just find which spec suits your needs and go for that.
 
Amp34 said:
You can use preview to scroll through images, but you can't zoom in which is useless. Or you can double click the image and use the viewer to zoom in, however you can't scroll through images unless you select every single one you want to scroll through. This means you spend a lot of time aimlessly double clicking images to view them rather than with the windows picture viewer just clicking on one and scrolling back and forwards and zooming in...
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If you use 'quick look' (right click menu from the finder), you can scroll through your photos from the finder without opening them individually through preview. Works much in the same way as you're used to in windows.

Amp34 said:
I must be one of the few people on earth who's productivity in photo and video editing/sorting plummets when using a Mac running OSX. It makes no sense how people suggest it's better for that task! For internet browsing it's a dream generally, for anything remotely creative it's a pain in the ******* ****.
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I get on just fine. All my images are contained within my Aperture library, which manages all elements of editing and archiving. If I need to take them out and into another program, I'll export and then re-import - which is never tbh.

Surely if you used something like LR, you could open directly into PS? I'm not a LR user, or a PS user for that matter so I may be mistaken!
 
We've been using apple 'stuff' since about 2010. I had an Airport Extreme in 2008, and I guess that was my first step into Apple equipment, but not the desktops/laptops.

We are now about to have our 'apple empire' as:

Mac Mini under the TV as a HTPC and for other stuff - Mid 2011, i7 2.7 GHZ, 16GB RAM, 250GB Samsung 840 Evo SSD, and 2TB WD Green HDD.

MacBook Air as our portable computing tool - Mid 2013, i7 1.7 with 3.3GHZ Turbo Boost, 8GB Ram, 256GB SSD

Apple TV3 in the bedroom to stream our iTunes Library content

Then we currently have an iPad 2 32GB and a iPod Touch 3rd Gen 32GB that we are going to sell when the new iPad mini is announced, which we'll get whatever the biggest size is (64GB I guess).

I have an iPhone 4S, wife will end up with an iPhone of sorts when we upgrade her phone in September.

WiFi in the house is then done with a 3TB Time Capsule, one of the new AC WiFi ones.

Why do we have all this? I work in IT, and it is a nightmare coming home messing around to make things work properly. With Apple stuff, I've never had anything more complicated than turning it on for it to work. Its absolutely dependable, and when you come to sell it, the resale and market to sell into is great. I'm about to sell our 'retiring kit' which is a previous gen 3TB Time Capsule, and a Mid 2010 MBP 2.66GHZ C2D and I've already got people at work asking to buy them for good money.

Buy Apple stuff if you want decent quality, great reliability, and strong resale even after 3 years of use.

Don't buy Apple stuff if you 'don't get it'

Personally, I'd do what I did, start off small. We started with an early Core Duo Mac Mini that we used as a HTPC. Wife then got the MacBook Pro for her Uni studies, and it grew from there.

As you can tell, I'm slightly biased because I really haven't had issues.
 
Conanius said:
As you can tell, I'm slightly biased because I really haven't had issues.
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Not biased, just finding it doing what it's designed to do.

I've used iOS devices from the very beginning, and never had any problem, even when I was messing about with it :D

Very good stuff, which is hugely popular & desirable.
 
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