MP Gaming -- would you cheat if you could?
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As an experiment you could try it and see if the "challenge" dissapears. if you're right there should be no challenge at all yeah? Report back in a couple of months.
I agree that its inconsiderate but again its the internet, its gaming + lots of anonymous kids/teens.
Ohh i agree but you expect someone cheating to be that mature about an anonymous online game?
Dont understand why you think i'm trolling. I offered my opinion based on my experience. What do you expect me to say? I wouldnt be in the thread otherwise *shrug* Is it details you want?
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Sorry i missed your post. Yes thats some common sense thank god. Public hacks are released all the time but are usually very crude e.g. aimbot snapping to targets. But then you might only use say 3 options out of 10 on a multihack. Different aimbot options as well configured on the fly. This is a good while back though - i shudder to think what hack coders have come up with nowadays.
A skilled player uses them to give them an edge. Each of the options tweakable. Certainly its possible to have it shoot on any enemy target within range regardless of whether they are in your line of sight or not but then a blind man could see you are cheating so defeats the purpose entirely of someone wanting to cheat. (i guess unless they are raging the server then they dont care. Do they still do that?
)Its like everything in life - the more you invest in a community or game the more you are committed to it. Some ppl take tournaments and clan matches very seriously. If there was a country league table of hacks though - i'd stick Germany at the top.
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Surfer, i'm struggling to understand what you're getting at here. Are you trying to claim that using cheats is acceptable in online gaming?
This worries me. An "edge" is something like a fast reload, or an unlimited sprint. Having something do the moving and aiming for you isn't an edge, it's cheating. Pure and simple.
This worries me. An "edge" is something like a fast reload, or an unlimited sprint. Having something do the moving and aiming for you isn't an edge, it's cheating. Pure and simple.
MP no, I'm a server mod for a few things.
Cheats do it to try and become better although they can't become better at all if they're not doing the things that develop game skill. Do it to troll the server, no different to some of the threads round here. Do it because they think someone else is and therefore its "fair".
However I do code my own stuff for one or two single player online games. Macros not hooks, can't be bothered with doing one incredibly tedious thing for hundreds of hours to do something more interesting. Computer tech courses can be useful in strange ways
Cheats do it to try and become better although they can't become better at all if they're not doing the things that develop game skill. Do it to troll the server, no different to some of the threads round here. Do it because they think someone else is and therefore its "fair".
However I do code my own stuff for one or two single player online games. Macros not hooks, can't be bothered with doing one incredibly tedious thing for hundreds of hours to do something more interesting. Computer tech courses can be useful in strange ways
You lose all the challenge to aiming, tactical thinking, trying to outsmart the enemy, etc. everything that matters to the game - if you have bad coordination it might be challenging to actually integrate using the hacks into the small part of playing left to the "player" or without making it obvious - but thats a whole different story...
I've seen aimbots on ETQW with the spec ops class weapon where someone just gets a vantage point and then headshots every player on the enemy team "instantly"* with one button press.
*say 16 players thats actually 1-2 frames per kill - assuming 33ms per frame thats 700-800ms to kill everyone... wheres the challenge in that?
Thats not to say hacks are flawless - I was playing QL the other day and beat someone with an aimbot AND quad damage - simply by dodging behind pillars/corners constantly and using sound to fire before they appeared spamming rockets to keep them from rushing me... but in an open fire fight I wouldn't have lasted 200ms.
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Na, no point, I tend to join a different server if I am being pwned constantly.
Hackers don't cheat in games to be good, they do it to annoy the hell out of none hackers, although perhaps there are the odd few out there that do cheat to be top of the list. But from the many hackers i've seen do it purely to wind up the none cheater and clearly it works from reading many of these posts on here.
Do I condone it... I don't care either way, would be interesting if some servers were set up purely for aimboters/wallhackers/ESP users and the like for them to frag each other with their hacks. There are many a private cheat websites out there and they could hack vs hack each other till the cows come home and compete on a level of which hack is best. That would/could keep them off the none cheating servers.
Do I condone it... I don't care either way, would be interesting if some servers were set up purely for aimboters/wallhackers/ESP users and the like for them to frag each other with their hacks. There are many a private cheat websites out there and they could hack vs hack each other till the cows come home and compete on a level of which hack is best. That would/could keep them off the none cheating servers.
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Aw, I thought it was a good questionPlenty of people have deemed it worthy of answering.
Some people take there gaming way to seriously. I may try it, I#m a dont knock it till youve tried it sort of guy for most things but I dont really care enough about stats etc that I would go to the trouble tbh.
Surfer, just what point are you trying to get at here? We know there are lots of reasons for hacking (from the hackers themselves anyway). The hacker friend we had on Steam claimed, amongst other reasons, that it was because i hack too (whether he was joking or not i'm unsure). Some do it to **** everyone off. Some just want people to think they're good so hack just enough. The reason doesn't matter, cheating is cheating whether you insta-headshot everything in sight or headshot once every so often so it looks more natural.
The fact that people actually PAY for the hacks is what makes it so sad.
The fact that people actually PAY for the hacks is what makes it so sad.
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(who didnt lol ) but never used it to make gazzilions of cash . Just macro mined at my house and recal mined etc . But most of the fun was making the scripts and building in anti pk sub routines and other silly stuff .
Never cheated in a fps .
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(who didnt lol ) but never used it to make gazzilions of cash . Just macro mined at my house and recal mined etc . But most of the fun was making the scripts and building in anti pk sub routines and other silly stuff . Never cheated in a fps .
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Never acceptable but inevitable imo. I would suspect as well that developers privately accept it whilst their PR machine will promote whichever anticheat product they are pushing with the game.
They might not use the aimbot. Or only use it in certain situations. I'm not talking about the people that download a hack from the well known publicised cheat sites and then go nuts on a server. The skilled player uses the extra options in a multihack to "augment" their skills already. Like being able to see everyone on the battlefield, which direction they are facing, whether they are reloading etc. - this allows them to plan a kill spree quite easily but nothing is a surprise. Have you ever played opponents that are never suprised, that always seem to know where you are? That manouevre around threatening players and objects that they can't see Just lucky i guess?
Their only concern and challenge and real entertainment is the other player(s) who are using similar tools. Thats the first thing you see when you have a program like this loaded on a server. You'll be able to tell very quickly who else has a hack.
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There are servers that do this. I'm in favour of this. If people want to cheat then fine but only on cheat servers not clean ones.
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Ultimately what i'm saying is that its not a case of one side being clean (white) and the other side being a cheater (black) and the cheater is just someone who is easily identifyable and not part of the community.
Thats too easy (conceptually) and unrealistic imo. Theres probably a sub-community with L4d that is entirely cheater driven that you never become aware of with their own goals and objectives. They may not even think they are "cheating" in the conventional sense - its like playing a different game with different rules and opponents.
Cheating is bad okay everyone knows that..it doesnt tell us how to deal with it...
How do you identify a cheater from a non-cheater? If its not possible to distinguish between a high skill player and a cheater then what then?
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