Multiculturalism in England

I would have to say that it is quite disgraceful that visitors to the UK don't drink until they are incapable of controlling their behaviour, swear at people on public transport and why in the name of all that is holy do they shun our delicious fish, chips and deep-fried Mars bars :confused:

And another thing . . . why don't they close their corner shops at 5pm and shove off home to watch Corrie?
 
N17 said:
And it really must be a shock for brits when they are in spain to see Spanish food. Cooked in a certain way. Or killed in a certain way
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Spanish food being cooked/killed in a Spanish way in Spain is not the same as non Islamic food being killed in an Islamic way in a non Islamic country.

The Halal meat/non Halal meat argument is the same as the GM/Organic food argument, people should be told if the food their being served is non standard. Especially if the non standard part involves it being slaughtered in a way that would constitute an animal rights crime if it were not a protected right of a minority.
 
Tummy said:
What on earth is 'wrong' with eating Halal meat?
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I can think of two reasons to start, some methods of halal slaughter would be considered illegal if it wasn't for the religious aspect as they are considered cruel. Not all methods, unfortunately though there is no way to tell which methods have been used.

Secondly I believe (but could be wrong) that for certain other religions it is actually against their belief system to eat ritually slaughtered meat. Therefore making halal the default would be discrimination against them.

The bonus third reason would mean no bacon, which is, or should be, a crime against humanity!
 
ubersonic said:
Spanish food being cooked/killed in a Spanish way in Spain is not the same as non Islamic food being killed in an Islamic way in a non Islamic country.

The Halal meat/non Halal meat argument is the same as the GM/Organic food argument, people should be told if the food their being served is non standard. Especially if the non standard part involves it being slaughtered in a way that would constitute an animal rights crime if it were not a protected right of a minority.
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It might not be. But if it's a way of life then i respect it. I don't eat meat/fish. Am I offended by what people eat? No.
 
RDM said:
I can think of two reasons to start, some methods of halal slaughter would be considered illegal if it wasn't for the religious aspect as they are considered cruel. Not all methods, unfortunately though there is no way to tell which methods have been used.

Secondly I believe (but could be wrong) that for certain other religions it is actually against their belief system to eat ritually slaughtered meat. Therefore making halal the default would be discrimination against them.

The bonus third reason would mean no bacon, which is, or should be, a crime against humanity!
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Blooody religion banning Bacon. Actually I think no Bacon and No Pork is a Historical thing. All meat is technacilly unclean and can/could kill you.
 
N17 said:
It might not be. But if it's a way of life then i respect it. I don't eat meat/fish. Am I offended by what people eat? No.
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Agreed, but the Halal example would be the same as a restaurant giving you something that you wouldn't expect to contain meat/fish but this one does and not bothering to mention it to you.

Usually when I order food I don't order it under the assumption that the animal was tortured to death in Alah's name, I assume it was killed as humanly as possible and would expect to be told if this was not the case...
 
RadoX said:
After reading the EDL thread i thought id add my own two cents and thought id make a new thread as it has little to do with the discussion going on in that thread.

I've been living in Asia for 6 months now and in Vientiane about 4. I don't follow Buddhism but I and every other foreigner here accepts that's the natives way of life. We all respect practices such as taking off our shoes before entering property not pointing our feet at people or at Buddha and many other customs. We don't all congregate in one place, one village or one bar and we respect that we are not natives and we don't try to push our views on other people.

Yet in England there are various community's that have been allowed to completely disrespect the native English man's way of life and take over whole parts of city's and create monopoly's on various trades/jobs.

This is not stood for here and there are various laws preventing it. Why has England got into such a state ? I can only see the UK going down hill.
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That may be your experience but it certainly isn't the norm. Most people who come over to the UK to live respect the laws and norms of the UK, just like you as a tourist respect those of the country you're visiting. The average british Ex Pat will live in a small enclave of Brits or Europeans depending on where they live. Just look at large parts of the Spanish south coast and also the middle and far east. Even the tourists that go to do the Thai/Vietnam/cambodian thing generally end up going to several predominantly ex pat places.

It's normal to look for somewhere you can feel comfortable in, in a foreign country that generally means with people of our own culture. The Brits are just as "bad" (actually probably worse in a lot of places because they do try and force change) as foreigners who have moved over to the UK.
 
ubersonic said:
So "humanly" killing an animal in a way that is either like going to sleep or so fast that your dead before you know what hit you is just as barbaric as slitting the animals throat and stringing it up while it bleeds out?
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Ahhh, that idealistic yet incorrect assumption on slaughtering animals.

Did you know (and I'm sure you do, just don't like to admit) most halal meat is stunned before killing anyway, just like non Halal meat. Did you know a bolt through the head is regularly unsuccessful and can cause an animal massive distress (if the stunning hasn't caused that already...

Mass slaughter isn't particularly nice on any animal, whatever way you do it. Either way the animal should be senseless before either thing happens.
 
Tummy said:
What is this 'native English man's way of life' ?
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Actually, this argument really annoys me. It's as ridiculous as 'all Brits are immigrants' argument as it's a reduction too far - we're all bloomin' immigrants!

I'm very for multiculturalism, but it is fallacious to deny Englishmen have a culture and identity of their own.
 
meghatronic said:
Actually, this argument really annoys me. It's as ridiculous as 'all Brits are immigrants' argument as it's a reduction too far - we're all bloomin' immigrants!

I'm very for multiculturalism, but it is fallacious to deny Englishmen have a culture and identity of their own.
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I'm not sure that the aim is to deny Englishmen the right to a culture and identity but to attempt to get someone (anyone) to actually define it. It's surprisingly tricky to get any kind of consensus and in some ways I think that is the most telling point - lots of different ways of life are accepted in the UK and that's one of the things that I'm most "proud" of here.
 
Couldn't agree more. Send them back at once. Point your feet at them on the way out too. Bloody Buddhists only slightly better than Jainists, non violent idiots.
 
semi-pro waster said:
I'm not sure that the aim is to deny Englishmen the right to a culture and identity but to attempt to get someone (anyone) to actually define it. It's surprisingly tricky to get any kind of consensus and in some ways I think that is the most telling point - lots of different ways of life are accepted in the UK and that's one of the things that I'm most "proud" of here.
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I think you would probably find it hard to define quite a few countries cultures without resorting to gross stereotyping.
 
so i take the the OP and his posies have something against HALAL meat so they started a thread under a different pretence..

1. Only restaurants catering for MUSLIMS in muslim majority areas will have halal meat/chicken.. otherwise they wouldnt get muslims £££ and go bankrupt.. its called simple supply and demand.. ECONOMICS nothing to do with religion

2. I have never seen a restaurant that sells both halal/non-halal meat as it can get confusing.

3. You do not have 100% guarantee that animals suffer when cut via throat..

4. The blood is drained as it is said that it can contain illnesses so better to drain the blood out.

5. Like everyone has said if you dont want to eat Halal, dont go to a HALAL restaurant. Believe it or not, there are INDIAN restaurants which are non-halal, chinese, and of course british/english i.e. kfc etc

case closed...
 
ubersonic said:
Agreed, but the Halal example would be the same as a restaurant giving you something that you wouldn't expect to contain meat/fish but this one does and not bothering to mention it to you.

Usually when I order food I don't order it under the assumption that the animal was tortured to death in Alah's name, I assume it was killed as humanly as possible and would expect to be told if this was not the case...
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f you love animal so much then why eat meat in the first place? because of your selfish desires, an innocent animal has been killed (humanely or otherwise)..
 
RDM said:
I think you would probably find it hard to define quite a few countries cultures without resorting to gross stereotyping.
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You're probably right and that's one of the reasons why I wouldn't bother trying. I would say that the UK is generally a fair example of tolerance though (some GD threads notwithstanding) and when there are so many different ways of life accepted it becomes hard to pinpoint a (stereo)typical British person - I'm quite happy with that really.
 
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