Multiculturalism in England

ilcp said:
so i take the the OP and his posies have something against HALAL meat so they started a thread under a different pretence..

1. Only restaurants catering for MUSLIMS in muslim majority areas will have halal meat/chicken.. otherwise they wouldnt get muslims £££ and go bankrupt.. its called simple supply and demand.. ECONOMICS nothing to do with religion

5. Like everyone has said if you dont want to eat Halal, dont go to a HALAL restaurant. Believe it or not, there are INDIAN restaurants which are non-halal, chinese, and of course british/english i.e. kfc etc

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No, case not closed. The vast majority of restaurants in this area are Halal only. That includes the McDonalds and KFCs I think. Certainly includes the local Chinese takeaways and 'Indian' ones. This isn't exactly by choice, rather availability (of meat).
 
meghatronic said:
No, case not closed. The vast majority of restaurants in this area are Halal only. That includes the McDonalds and KFCs I think. Certainly includes the local Chinese takeaways and 'Indian' ones. This isn't exactly by choice, rather availability (of meat).
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so why dont YOU open up a non-halal restarurant seeing as this is a niche market in that area, surely you will be the only one and thus should get high turnover?

what area do you live in btw? I have never known McDonalds to have a halal branch, KFC/Nandos are not strictly halal because they STUN their chicken/meats and there is a high probability of chickens dying.
 
Personally I think when you look at how the country is now multiculturalism could be looked at as having failed.

We don't have one great big integrated community where everyone gets on, we instead have ghettos where one "aspect" dominates be it race or religion in which if you are not of this background it is a no go.

People should be made to adapt and conform to the traditional British way of living (whatever this may be) rather than we ourselves changing to incorporate their way of life. They should be free to live how they want within our countries framework, not expect the framework to change to suit them.

I would not go to, for example, Russia and expect everytihng to change to suit me, I would adapt to their values and ways of living and it should be a similar situation in this country.
 
ilcp said:
so why dont YOU open up a non-halal restarurant seeing as this is a niche market in that area, surely you will be the only one and thus should get high turnover?
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Oh, as no one cares? I didn't say once I oppose Halal meat. Whilst I do, it won't stop me eating :) !

One of the local ASDAs have even opened Halal World, so naturally there is a market for it. My only grievance with that is it has replaced a non-halal butchery, but obviously, given the area, it made economic sense. Although I do find it a little discriminatory that only muslim butchers can work the counter there (if true!).
 
Amp34 said:
That may be your experience but it certainly isn't the norm. Most people who come over to the UK to live respect the laws and norms of the UK.
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You have never been to Blackburn then, or most northern towns populated by "ethnic minorities" (not the case any more). Most of that population of the towns boast about how much free money they can get off the government, if they get challenged they claim racism and nothing ever happens.
 
This is genuine question, I'm not picking apart anyone's reasoning but how much of this argument and examples are backed up by facts and how much is through media hype and hearsay?

The reason I ask is I had a bit of a barney with some people a while ago about this very topic. Their main example was that the Post Office has stopped producing Christmas/nativity stamps in order not to offend other faiths.

I said that had to be rubbish but wasn't able to confirm as I couldn't check at the time, I have to admit I had my doubts that it was rubbish though due to how much I've heard about those sorts of examples.

When I did check the Royal Mail website, sure enough nativity stamps were splashed all over the homepage showing all the different scenes.

The people I were arguing with were absolutely incensed by what they saw as 'our way of life' being eroded and it was completely wrong in that instance.

How much more of that goes on?
 
Wynthorpe said:
You have never been to Blackburn then, or most northern towns populated by "ethnic minorities" (not the case any more). Most of that population of the towns boast about how much free money they can get off the government, if they get challenged they claim racism and nothing ever happens.
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That has little to do with race or religion, I could name plenty of while/christian areas like that as well, especially if i over exaggerate it...
 
TheBigCheese said:
This is genuine question, I'm not picking apart anyone's reasoning but how much of this argument and examples are backed up by facts and how much is through media hype and hearsay?

The reason I ask is I had a bit of a barney with some people a while ago about this very topic. Their main example was that the Post Office has stopped producing Christmas/nativity stamps in order not to offend other faiths.

I said that had to be rubbish but wasn't able to confirm as I couldn't check at the time, I have to admit I had my doubts that it was rubbish though due to how much I've heard about those sorts of examples.

When I did check the Royal Mail website, sure enough nativity stamps were splashed all over the homepage showing all the different scenes.

The people I were arguing with were absolutely incensed by what they saw as 'our way of life' being eroded and it was completely wrong in that instance.

How much more of that goes on?
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A huge amount. Unfortunately the most popular newspapers are also the worst for this. People read the headline/bias article in these papers and take it as gospel rather than actually looking for themselves to see if it is true. It's one of the reasons the DM is despised by so many on here, it's one of the worst for sensational stories about essentially nothing, full of half truths, exaggerations and fairly frequently downright lies or incorrect statistics.
 
I try not to eat Halal through choice (primarily through objection to the lack of stunning, though increasingly for cultural objections) and it seems that choice is getting harder to take as its use expands through our food system.

Taking KFC as an example, if I visit Leicester and fancy a KFC I have no choice as out of its 3 stores, they're all Halal (though supposedly stunned Halal).

However, I'm starting to object to eating even properly stunned Halal meat. Why? Well it seems wrong to me, why would I want to accept the slow creep of Islamification to our cities?

Why are we so welcoming to a religion that demands dominion over wider society, the majority of their holy book is concerned about how to treat unbelievers (kafir). I will argue that accepting is one thing but that encouraging such a belief system (even through the passive acceptance of eating Halal) is counterproductive to a modern progressive society.
 
i love my currys pizza's kebabs chinese take aways,hot asian chicks and a bit of diversity. You say some area's are "no go's" for whites.well hmmmm,look at it this way. theres always been gangs in the UK recently,even before mass migration(tongs ya bass:p)

When somebody from another area who was recognised as not being local or a rival gang members they'd be "chibbed" or at the very least chased out.

Well,immigrants are humans too and we all have these tendencies to be a pack whether we like to beleive it or not(especialy in poorer areas)....we're not that highly evolved yet,if we were we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Anyways,because these new kids on the block(no homo) all look a certain way because their parents and grandparents moved to a certain area to be closer to the other people they share a common culture with(no problem with that) and are racialy the same or simlar then it makes it easier for them to see a white person,or even black or chinese if its pakistani's/indians your talking about and say to themselves"hey look,that guys not from around here lets teach him a lesson"........thats just the law of the jungle lol. If it wasnt them doing it the it would be some white chavs doing it.

things like this will eventualy happen in all countries. people will one day be able to immigrate to the middle east without fear of being persecuted or discriminated against. Might be a long way away but im hopefull humanity can get past their differences. We're just seeing this happening here and other euro countries because we're culturaly more tolerant to other races/cultures and seen the horrors of the nazi hollocaust first hand and learned to be tolerant to other cultures and peoples because we didnt want this abomination to happen again. We will get through it,give it a few generations and theres gonna be more mixed race people whether you like it or not and racisms gonna become a thing of the past.

i know it might be unsettling for some people to think about things in this way but i think we're gonna have to just get used to it.

peace.
 
LabR@t said:
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Yup, No words.
 
Town hall clerks and poloticians say religious festivals offend others. Well iv'e never seen any ethnic minorities getting offended at the pagan festival of christmas. Just as I have never been offended at other ethnic minorities festivals
 
N17 said:
Town hall clerks and poloticians say religious festivals offend others. Well iv'e never seen any ethnic minorities getting offended at the pagan festival of christmas. Just as I have never been offended at other ethnic minorities festivals
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Cause they'd like us all to live in a communist dictatorship. Im just saying that because it sounds cool.
 
I remember reading somewhere that a Muslim community in London were trying to ban anyone flying the English flag on a street where the Muslim community thrive.

Multiculturalism? I don't feel like I'm England, I don't feel that certain groups respect what the English are trying to protect, that is our way of life. Close the doors, should have been done years ago.

I'm not racist or anything like that, but when British soil no longer feels British you got to ask yourself, why don't we close the doors?
 
ilcp said:
3. You do not have 100% guarantee that animals suffer when cut via throat..
4. The blood is drained as it is said that it can contain illnesses so better to drain the blood out.
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Intriguing scientific concepts you are working with there ;)

As for the OP, its a case of bad luck son, you may feel you own identity is being eroded, and possibly it is, but English society has been and continues to be one of the most tolerant in the world, and as such smaller insular groups will move into the country, establish their own communities and then want self determination for their own communities, and being English, you will accept it, and allow it.
Its not really erosion of English views, more it is your culture which allows it.
 
Who cares really? If you were born in this country you have the right to follow any culture you like. Thats the great thing about this country, FREEDOM. Thats what our boys have been fighting wars for throughout history, freedom.

So if i wish to speak chinese only, whilst dressed as an red indian i am free to do so, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
 
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