Multirotor, multicopter and quadcopter discussion - The Drone thread

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Inspired from the single rotor thread and RC plane thread. I have decided to make a multiroter thread.
Many people already know that I am in the process of building a quadcopter. So far I have finished the frame with help from my dad and others. Now I am just pondering over the electronics required for it.
I have done a lot of research, even though I have not built one yet I am happy to answer any questions.
This is an upcoming area of controlled flight so I will walk you through the basics of what is involved.

Frame:

In terms of aerodynamics, the frames design does not have much effect.The rule of thumb is that you need 4 rods of a strong material that connect to a central point. Such as this
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Lots and lots of designs, can be made from as little as £15 ( this is what I did) up to £50 depending on what material you want. Also size can be from massive to small. Some people have successfully built 3" frames ( sorry for imperial units, I read rc groups which is a US site)
The most important thing is that you need even weight distribution and you really want some sort of carbon that you land on and absorb the impact.

Motors:
All depends on the size and weight of the frame and electronics. I have not done many calculations and have just gone for emax 2822. Some people want their quadcopters to be very agile so they put a lot of work in deciding which ones to get. In most cases, if you pick up a 800 kv motor with 8" props it should be fine.

Speed controller:

Turniqy/Hobby wing are good. You need to get the same speed controllers so that you get even feedback across all motors. Also they need to be programmable and at the right ampage for your motor.

Electronics:

Probably many of you are wondering how the hell these things are controlled. It's all thanks to some electronics wizzadry. Basically there is a flight controller which takes signals from the receiver and outputs signal to the motors to make them the right speed to do what you want. One of the most popular platforms is multiwii which is an arduino controlled system. Usually ran off arduino pro minis. They then have sensors which allow the flight to be stable. Also lots of other nifty tricks such as direction hold, gps hold, altitude hold. Most people usually use these sensors
ITG3200 -Gyroscope.
BMA180 - Accelerometer.
or take them from wii remote controllers and nun-chucks.
Multiwii is not the only system, many chinese cheap knock offs are around that mean you can get a system for under £10 ( hobby king board for example). These are generally harder to fly.
Besides that there is ardupirates which is very advanced and powerful, also there is open pilot which is cheap but they have supply issues.
Multiwiicopter is a good place to get all the electronics, the sensors are very well priced and they sell everything you need excluding the arduino pro. Giant cod is a great place that has UK stock as well.

What can you get out of it?
With a bit of tweaking, adding a camera and some very expensive electronics you could get something like this
http://vimeo.com/21494540
http://vimeo.com/18873955
Be aware that, that kind of stuff is not achievable for under £150, but this kind of stuff is ( well he is using ardupirates, it's more expensive than multiwii but the same sort of things can be achieved with multiwii)
http://vimeo.com/20597641
http://vimeo.com/21494540
Hopefully, I will have pictures and videos of my project up in the next few weeks.
Cheers and fly safe.
 
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Right, I have ordered a wii motion plus. Arduino nano will be coming from the bay and I will probably put a massive order in from hobbyking.
 
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Excellent. :cool: How much does the frame weigh?

Once I get out of my obsession with RC Planes, and I'm going down the FPV route with that, then I really want to give a Quadcopter a go.

I think it was 12 OZ, not sure though.
I have just finished soldering the wii mp+, damn it is flipping hard. Pro tip though. Tin the wires a lot, makes it much easier to get a clean join.
 
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Damn, want one of these now :(:o . Realistically, going to have to travel some way to get any views as scenic as in those videoes though, and knowing this country, it's probably illegal to fly one fitted with a camera anyhow. Might be possible in some forests or quiet parks though.

Good luck with the build! Will you be fitting a camera? If those speed controllers are expensive then I'd suggest that they are very simple to build btw. In fact, the controller will be able to output PWM directly so it's really just a pass MOSFET that's needed.
It's completely legal :), though if you are flying in crowded areas then it's best to make it ducted so that no one gets their arms cut off. I will probably be fitting a camera, probably one of those key ring cameras. Maybe go for a proper stabalized system later on, iirc multiwii can do stabilization as well.
 
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Done the NK
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Neither my dads gas soldering iron nor my electric jobby was good enough to melt the solder on the board, so I just had to solder over the top of it. Bit annoying, but hot glue will secure it down fine.
 
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I have an arduino nano sat next to me, Can you do a parts list of the boards, motors and any extra things youve used, this looks like a fun summer project :D

Hobbywing 18A ESC *4
Wood from hobby craft
4 carbon rods
4 Emax 2822 Motors
Arduino nano
Wii motion Plus
Wii Nunchuck
Futaba Receiver
2300ma battery ( I think, I can't remember though)
8" Rotating and counter rotating props
4 Prop adapters ( 3mm)
Gold connectors
Male to male Servo leads

You need other general stuff though, such as soldering iron, flux, solder and electrical wire.
 
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Make sure you have motor controllers that run at 500Hz or more, and buy the best gyros & accelerometers you can afford for the attitude controller.

But TBH, just buy a a AR Parot.
http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/usa

cheap as chips, incredibly stable flight.

They are incredibly stable, but they have low range and the acceleration is poor. I think they use low rpm motors so that they don't cut your hands off. You can build a much better quad for a lower price, that is unbelievably fast such as this
 
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all my heli stuff arrived and its quite daunting! maybe i should have done a quadcopter lol they look so much simpler, no pulleys , drive trains , no need for four servos etc

Well at least you probably don't have stock sourcing problems. Nearly everything related to multirotors is sold out, copter control and a lot of the other flight controllers are impossible to source. I am looking forward for its maiden, I am getting a heli guy to fly it first :D.
 
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That .. is.. awesome!!

Done the nixie clock now for a step up into these badboys! Thing that interests me the most is seeing where you live and your surroundings from above, always been fascinated when going on a plane and staring out the window! Gonna start reading up on these and see what sort of budget you need to fit a decent enough quality 720p or 1080p mini camera with enough range so that it can fly a fair distance!

You need a massive budget for fpv, we are talking £1k +. Also iirc you can only transmit in 480p due to bandwidth constraints.
 
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I know ive already asked, but have you got a build guide on a cheap multirotor? im tempted to build a few of these over the summer, but i want to try some cheap (£15 or so) ones but i need a decent build guide

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1335765
In all honesty, I have no idea about this stuff though. The larger the quad is, generally the more stable it is. I don't think you can do it for £15 but maybe £50. I don't know though as small speed controllers might be more expensive than large ones.
Also for small builds you have to use these weird flight controllers, which I have no clue about.


For the sort of size I built, you are talking around £120. Quadcopters are really quite hard to damage due to their design. The worst you can do is break a prop and maybe a wooden arm. Anyway if you are prepared to do what I did then this picture
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and this thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1543356
is all you need to know. You then just select appropriate speed controllers and motors, then just get any arduino board + a wii motion plus and nunchuck. That's pretty much it, the multiwii connecting elements guide is quite handy. Otherwise just follow the picture shown and it should be fine.

all you need to solder with a multicopter is connectors for the sc/battery and motor bullets?

where heat is king

You need to do some small scale soldering for the sensors. A lot of people get put off this though. You can buy it all in one for like £50 with no soldering. But for the sake of a few quid you can do the soldering yourself.
 
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Pretty awesome. Some great guides out there I've read, but most are US/Aus based, so suppliers/prices are different. Any UK/EU project logs you know of RomanNose? I'd love to build a nice big quadcopter but the misses would hit the roof if I blew a grand on it :D

Well it's not going to cost £1k unless you want to do fpv. Anyway, you can get most stuff from giantcod. I will list where I got my stuff from, you are guaranteed to have to get some stuff from hong kong at least
Arduino board- £10 from hong kong or £15 from the UK ( ebay uk)
Frame ( hobby craft wood)
Wii motion plus - Amazon
Nunchuck ( I already had one, make sure you get from somewhere like amazon as you want it to be genuine and not a clone)
Counter rotating and rotating props-Giant cod
Prop adapter - Ebay
Motors - Giant cod
The only thing I had to get from a far away land was some servo lead as they were male to male, it was about £3 for 8 male to male leads from Australia

So you might have to get some stuff from a far away land but giant cod has the stuff that you would normally have to, all in all mine totalled about £120 so it's not very hard hitting on the wallet :p.
This guy http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1505766#post19312519 is a uk chappy and has some more details. Also I found out that dunelm sell circular tubbaware boxes for 69p! I just put one over the sensors to protect them and bobs your uncle.
 
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Tried flying it today, was just taking off on about 60% and very very loud. So I bottled it and I am now checking if it's all setup right. Seems to be that it's loud when taking off because the air bounces off the floor. Might give it another flight tomorrow.
 
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