My '67 Triumph GT6 - An Ongoing Project Log

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This weekend’s Saturday afternoon was spent tuning up the carbs on the GT6. This was achieved with some degree of success however the car isn’t running as sweetly as I would like.

Last weekend the car wouldn’t even idle on its own so tuning from its current state wasn’t really an option. As such I did what the Haynes manual suggested on both carbs; screw up the jet (part 56) right up to the top of the air piston (part 41) and then proceed to unscrew it three full turns. With this setting the car started on the second attempt which was better than last week and isn’t too surprising as it normally needs a bit of fuel pumping through from the tank. Once the engine had warmed up it was obvious that it was running much better than last week, however it was idling at 900 RPM which is far too high as it should idle at about 600 ~ 650 RPM.

The way to test if a carb is running too rich or too weak is to raise the air piston 0.8mm (about the width of the pointy end of a flat blade screwdriver). If the carb is set up right there should be no change in the RPM or engine note. If the RPM increases it is running to rich, if it goes towards a stall it is running too weak. Needless to say I had one running too weak and one too rich. So I started adjusting the jet by 1/8 turns on the adjusting screw on both the carbs. Doing this I have managed to get the engine idling at about 700 ~ 800 RPM. I can artificially get the engine to tick over at 600 ~ 650 RPM by partially covering up some of the air intake on the carbs. You can tell it is supposed to tick over at this speed as the engine note totally changes and the engine sits perfectly still on its mountains. Even so it is now running better than it ever has while it has been in my ownership and my dad commented when I drove it up and down the road that it sounded much smoother so it is at least drivable again now. However, no matter what I tried I couldn't get it down to its proper idle speed and it was at this point I noticed two things as to why the RPM wasn’t going down as much as I expected.

1. The vacuum hose between the distributor and the front carb had split.
2. The air piston wasn’t returning right to the bottom on the front carb after the engine was reved. Below is how it should look, however it was sitting about 1.5mm higher than this one.

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Point one shouldn’t have made much difference, however it will have to be fixed before I do any more setting up. I may as well have everything correct before I go any further.

Point 2 is much more likely to be the cause of why the RPM wasn’t going down. At first I though this was happening because we replaced the diaphragm and it wasn’t allowing the correct travel of the air piston. However after speaking with some people it would appear much more likely that it is the jet and needle that are not quite in alignment. This can be fixed by undoing to jet holding chamber (Part 59) and then re doing it up again. A simple fix (if it works) but at this point it had started to rain/hail and I didn’t fancy leaving the car out in those weather conditions. Plus the fact that the vacuum hose needed fixing so I couldn’t really do much more carb tuning I thought it would be best get the car back inside.

So the next thing to fix is the vacuum hose before I can move forward. Currently it is just a rubber hose that runs along the fuel pipe. While this is functional enough it doesn’t look too nice. As most of the pipe work on the car (brake and fuel pipes) is copper I’m going to make the vacuum pipe out of copper also. Problem is the vacuum pipe is just over 3 feet long and goes right round the front of the engine. This will evolve quite a large piece of copper pipe (not cheap for its size) and some very precise pipe bending. To do this I have ordered a mini pipe bender which should hopefully arrive sometime this week. This will mean I will be able to make the new vacuum pipe one evening in preparation to look at the carbs again next weekend.

So even though I haven’t got the car up and running perfectly, it is running and it is drivable again which is essentially what I wanted out of the weekend. Hopefully next weekend I’ll be able to get the carbs sorted and move onto the next thing.

Oh and for everyone who commented on how how small it is, here are a couple of comparison photos between it and my dads TT and my C30. As you can see the modern cars are so much bigger than it which can be a little daunting when you are out driving and a huge truck decided to overtake you :p

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I love these threads, although now youve just made me sad about having to sell my dad's MGB GT project after he passed. the GT6 is a gorgeous car, kudos for buying one to learn on!

Looking forward to updates :)
 
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You'll find that replacing the vacuum line should make a difference to how it runs on the move - besides being effectively an air leak that will upset the mixture for three cylinders, it'll also affect the timing under load.

Strombergs are actually pretty damn good when set up well, the only issue you occasionally get is that the rubber diaphragms split and they just stop being a carburettor.

The vacuum line usually just runs over the rocker cover, by the way - it's about 12" long from the factory and ties into that unused bolt and mount in the very middle :) It should be a small-bore plastic pipe.

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You'll find that replacing the vacuum line should make a difference to how it runs on the move - besides being effectively an air leak that will upset the mixture for three cylinders, it'll also affect the timing under load.

Strombergs are actually pretty damn good when set up well, the only issue you occasionally get is that the rubber diaphragms split and they just stop being a carburettor.

The vacuum line usually just runs over the rocker cover, by the way - it's about 12" long from the factory and ties into that unused bolt and mount in the very middle :) It should be a small-bore plastic pipe.

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A la :)

Ah I see. Mine is currently runs along the fuel pipe. Here is the root im going to make the copper pipe take.

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Throw the Strombergs into your neighbours garden and follow the path of enlightenment :D

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As cool (and expensive) as that is i'm trying to keep the car quite original in its workings so there isn't going to be any modding :p
 
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Nice work Wizardskills, looks very tidy :cool:

Lashout, why don't you have you're own Q&A sub-forum already? :D Mods, make it happen :p

Here are mine, they're the only part of the engine I've avoided testing so far :D

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Starter is working, and she's cranking like a dream but the dizzy cap is broken and the spark plugs look like this:

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Running a bit rich perhaps? :eek: :p

Next weekend I'll probably be back on here asking how to tune these properly :o
 
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Well sorry for the lack of updates but I have been quite busy over the last few weeks. Quite a bit has happened in the world of the GT6. The first thing to do was to fix the vacuum pipe between the distributor and the front carb. As the current pipe had split in two separate places it was going to be easier to make a new one. When the car was restored by the previous owner they has all the pipes made out of copper so I thought I would be a nice touch to make this pipe out of copper as well. Lucky my dad has a spare bit of 1 meter copper pipe which was ideal for the task. So I ordered a mini pipe bender off of the net so I can get the pipe to follow the fuel pipe round the front of the engine.

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After a bit of measuring, swearing and pipe bending I ended up with this...

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...which fitted perfectly round the engine

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I then trimmed up the ends to the correct length and connected it all up.

Next I had to reset the jet on the front carb so the air piston would fall back down to the bottom of the carb. This didn't take too long however it meant I had to start the retuning process again. Annoying but not the end of the world. So I spend the next hour or so trying to get the engine to idle properly and it still was having none of it. It would idle fine, I would then rev the engine and it would not return to the previous tick over rate. It would be about 200 RPM higher. After more swearing and head scratching I found that one of the role pins that hold to connecting rods between the carbs together was the wrong diameter. This meant that the rear carb could be open but the front carb may not be when opening the throttle. When letting off of the throttle the opposite would happen and the rear carb could be “closed” but the front one still slightly open still. This was causing the engine to be ticking over at a higher rate after the engine was reved.

This problem was easily fixed with the correct role pin however I still couldn't get the engine to idle properly. It was at this moment I starting fiddling with the connecting rods and noticed that there was a bit of play between the butterfly rod (part 3) and the carb casing on the front carb (apparently a common problem with old carb on this car). This play is what was causing the engine not to idle properly as I could change the engine RPM but moving the butterfly rod with my thumb. This was bad news as there is no way I could fix this and it would require a replacement carb. Bad times. That said though the car was still perfectly drivable all I had to do was alter the idle RPM so it would idle at around 800 ~ 750.

The following weekend was the Triumph International at Stoneleigh Park and I decided to do the 120 mile round trip in the GT6. The journey up to the show went well although I noticed the car didn't want to rev too well between 1300 RPM and 2000 RPM. I didn't think much of it as the car in general was running well.

The show itself was brilliant. Loads of Triumphs (as you would expect) and I even got asked to put mine inside the show itself. Unfortunately I forgot my camera and the only picture of the day is this. I have no idea at what I'm laughing at.

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When looking round the auto jumble I found a company that specialised in reconditioning carbs. £260 for a set for my GT6, bargain I thought I'll get me a set of them as that will fix the play issue on the front carb. Unfortunately the company didn't accept cards so would have to order later on that week when I could write them a cheque.

On the journey home things went a bit downhill however. The performance of the car in low revs got worse to the point of when I pulled out of a petrol station I got another big backfire. Nothing like the one before but it was enough stop the engine. After a bit of pushing we got the car to a lay-by and discovered that the sticking air piston issue had returned. The car would run fine but on some occasions this piston would stick open and put too much fuel into the engine, which is what we the think caused the backfire. Luckily I managed to get the car home without any more issues but it was clear that the carbs were just worn out and need replacing.

So this week I took delivery of some shiny new parts :D

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I purchased a new rocker cover as the old one is slightly distorted where the previous owner has done it up too tight. This was causing a slight oil leak and this needs to be fixed. I have also purchased a new temperature sender in the hope that it allow the temperature dial to work.
 
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Well it has been a long time coming but the car is finally running again :D . (Video evidence below)

The first job was to turn up some new throttle linkages as the old ones were worn and not very aesthetically pleasing. I decided to make them out of stainless steal and copper so it would all match in with the rest of the engine. Here is are a couple of pictures of the locking sleeves.

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The ends that are round go on the carbs and the oblong ends hold the linking rod. They are oblong to allow for slight movement as the two carbs are not directly in line. The small perpendicular holes on the cab side of the sleeve are threaded to take a grub screw so we can adjust the balance between the carbs.

Once all the parts were made it didn't take too long to get it all fitted onto the car.

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However as per usual there was a slight problem. The 40 year old throttle return spring decided to break. Not a problem I thought, it can't be that hard to get a new one. Well I was wrong on that. They don't make a Mk1 throttle return spring any more so I had to get a Mk 3 one, which is 2 inches shorter *sigh*.

To get round this we had to make an extending arm for it. Nothing to hard but it was just a bit annoying as it put us back a week in getting the car sorted. Here is my poor attempt in a photo of it. I'll get a better photo when there is a bit more light.

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All that was left to do on the carbs was to tune them so with this in mind I thought I would fit the nice new rocker cover that I had purchased. I took the old over off and cleaned all the crap off of when sealing lip around the head.

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As you can see from the picture above it did look very nice (with the cover off and on :D) however I couldn't get the bonnet to close when it was fitted. At first I thought all I would need to do was adjust the bonnet (the GT6 bonnet has height adjustment on it) but it was already at its full adjustment as shown in the below photo:

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I later found out that these rocker covers are the same over all triumph straight six engines and anre not designed with the GT6 in mind. Even more annoyingly the originals are no longer made so that only left me with one choice, fix the old one. In fairness this didn't take too long. A bit of light hammering and some silicon gasket seal stuff and all was well.

Tuning the carbs was a bit problematic and it has taken me 3 attempts to get it to where it is now. However I think all the effort has been worth it as it now sounds very nice and much better than it did a few months ago. That said I don't think I will ever be able to get it perfect as I don't have all the proper measuring equipment. Here are some comparison videos.

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Next job is to fit a new speedo as the odometer in my current one broke about 4 months ago and to get some new tyres for it.. That said the car now drives very well and I have a few classic car shows lined up for it including:

  • Woburn classic car show
  • Classics on the common
  • Silverstone classic
  • Pistonheads Sunday Service (15th May)

If anyone is going to these pop over and have a chat :).
 
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Good stuff! You shouldn't need masses of kit to get it right - a bit of tube, looking at the plugs and keeping an eye on the economy/temperature is usually all you need if you take the time and document the incremental changes :)
 
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Nice looking car you have there.

If you want an alloy rocker cover, you will need to go for the SAH one, which are quite rare and expensive these days. They have the rear cover loped off and put back at a slopping angle so the bonnet clears.
However, the steel rocker covers are a) lighter, b) quieter and c) cause less emulsification on the cold days we have.

As for your carb tunning, there are a lot of peeps about with the right tools, should check on either the club triumph forums or the sideways technologies forum if anyone is near you who can give you a shot of them.
 
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Lovely little GT6 you have there - Bodywork looks good too (Bodywork always ends up costing as much as the Car to resolve, so it's best to get one with good bodywork).

Good to hear and see it is running nicely...if I get a place nearer to Work, I'll probably trade in my ever-reliable, but boring Corsa for one a GT6 or Spitfire (I had a 1500 once upon a time) as I won't be doing nearly as many miles.
 
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Thanks for all the nice comments guys :)

Good stuff! You shouldn't need masses of kit to get it right - a bit of tube, looking at the plugs and keeping an eye on the economy/temperature is usually all you need if you take the time and document the incremental changes :)

Yeah that's the plan. It is about right now and on the two trips I have taken the car on since it has been done I haven't had a problem. As you said, I'll just have to keep my eye on it.

Nice looking car you have there.

If you want an alloy rocker cover, you will need to go for the SAH one, which are quite rare and expensive these days. They have the rear cover loped off and put back at a slopping angle so the bonnet clears.
However, the steel rocker covers are a) lighter, b) quieter and c) cause less emulsification on the cold days we have.

As for your carb tunning, there are a lot of peeps about with the right tools, should check on either the club triumph forums or the sideways technologies forum if anyone is near you who can give you a shot of them.

I did read about the SAH one on the club triumph forum. Even this one can still have fitting issues on early GT6's so there was no guarantee that it would have worked. Plus the fact that they are several hundred pounds now if one comes up for sale. As such I decided that it wasn't really the way to go.

Lovely little GT6 you have there - Bodywork looks good too (Bodywork always ends up costing as much as the Car to resolve, so it's best to get one with good bodywork).

Good to hear and see it is running nicely...if I get a place nearer to Work, I'll probably trade in my ever-reliable, but boring Corsa for one a GT6 or Spitfire (I had a 1500 once upon a time) as I won't be doing nearly as many miles.

That was the main think I was looking at when I was looking for a car. Bodywork on triumphs and indeed most old cars is an expensive thing to put right if it goes wrong. For example I think a new bonnet for a GT6 is about £800 and then you have got to paint it as well.

As for running one as an everyday car, I'm not sure I would want to. Its not exactly a cheap car to run. In the 9 months I have owned the car I have done 1200 miles in it and it has cost me over £1.30 per mile I have done. That said that figure should start to go down now that it is summer (I can drive it more often) and I cant see any expensive purchases in the near future.
 
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