Well I like the look of the case so as you say it is subjective. As for being noisy it depends on where the case is. Mine is as you can tell on the desk about 2 foot from my right ear so Its really quiet just now but I think it would be more intrusive for me if i populated the case with all the fans. If it was on the floor under the desk it would not be so bad. So as ever it depends on what you like and how you use it!
My Coolermaster Stacker 830
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Dashik said:
Well, I'm using the 120mm Ultra Silent CoolerMaster fans - the same as the ones in the 4in3 module.
It's really quite startling the effect they're having on the temps!
(BTW, I love the look of the case, really suits it - but boy, is it BIG!)
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Shame about the beige opticals 
*joke*
Seriously, that's an impressive case - can you remove that internal fan-panel?
*joke*Seriously, that's an impressive case - can you remove that internal fan-panel?
Leporello said:
Perhaps putting *Leporello snorts diresively at ProgScan's claim* might have been less sarcastic.
Seriously tho, I ain't no hardcore Overclocker, so the temp drop I'm seeing might just be a compensation for some crappy airflow in the Lian-Li, as always YMMV.
Yewen - It was the model the PC-7 is based on, sorry, I'm at work and can't remember the model number.
ProgScan said:
PC60 then, which is based on 80mm fans and is in no way comparable to a case designed 6 years after its initial concept. Especially when its number of fans, and size of case are not comparable either.
PC70 - Stacker maybe, but the PC60 is a completely different class of case to the stacker, so of course it will be cooler
15 deg difference, I do not beleive that for one moment. Have you changed anything in the system, updated the bios, moved the pc out of the oven?
15 is a huge amount, usually you see 3/4 going from a PC7+ to a stacker, so maybe 7/8 TOPS and I mean TOPS in actual temperatures from the switch.
Best stats like that I have heard of, temperature sensors on a PC7+, mate claimed a 18deg drop on system temperature from his old PC7+ to a v1000+. In the PC7+ the thermal probe was on a raptor, on the v1000+ it was the top of the case so there was really no difference in temperature for most of the system.
If you could clear up the circumstances of a 15 degree drop that would be great.
Yewen said:PC60 then, which is based on 80mm fans and is in no way comparable to a case designed 6 years after its initial concept. Especially when its number of fans, and size of case are not comparable either.
PC70 - Stacker maybe, but the PC60 is a completely different class of case to the stacker, so of course it will be cooler
15 deg difference, I do not beleive that for one moment. Have you changed anything in the system, updated the bios, moved the pc out of the oven?
15 is a huge amount, usually you see 3/4 going from a PC7+ to a stacker, so maybe 7/8 TOPS and I mean TOPS in actual temperatures from the switch.
Best stats like that I have heard of, temperature sensors on a PC7+, mate claimed a 18deg drop on system temperature from his old PC7+ to a v1000+. In the PC7+ the thermal probe was on a raptor, on the v1000+ it was the top of the case so there was really no difference in temperature for most of the system.
If you could clear up the circumstances of a 15 degree drop that would be great.
I'll have a look at the thermal diode placements again, as they could be giving misleading figures, sure, however the temp difference is definitely more than your 7/8 TOPS quote, and as I've said it could be just a compensation for the bigger case and better airflow.
As for my sig - could a mod remove that odd yellow thing? I can't seem to access the UserCP. My previous sig was old anyhoo, and I had planned on deleting it.
Odd, that it's only just been noticed now. Beezarre.
I stand by my 7/8 deg change, as components can not run below room temperature on air.
The stacker would be quieter doing it aswell due to the 120mm fans, but 15 deg is a huge change, that you just never see not even from a £15 generic one to a stacker, its way to big a jump.
It will be cooler, a lot cooler infact but 15 is way to much in my opinion.
What are your rigs specs?
The stacker would be quieter doing it aswell due to the 120mm fans, but 15 deg is a huge change, that you just never see not even from a £15 generic one to a stacker, its way to big a jump.
It will be cooler, a lot cooler infact but 15 is way to much in my opinion.
What are your rigs specs?
Yewen said:
A64 3000+ (Venice) Stock
Arctic Cooler Freezer 64 Pro CPU Cooler
Enermax Noisetaker 600W PSU
Asus A8N-Sli Premium
2Gb Corsair CAS 2.5 VS RAM
BFG 7800 GT 256Mb OC
X-Fi Xtreme Music
1x Samsung Spinpoint HD 8Mb Cache 250Gb SATA-II
1x Western Digital HD 16Mb Cache 250Gb SATA-I
1x Coolerdrive 6 HD Cooler
1x Vantec Fan Controller
5x Cooler Master 120mm Ultra-Silent fans (so that's 4 in the bay and one in the top slot)
1x Plextor 755A DVD-RW
1x Lite-On 165P6S DVD-RW
1x Cooler Master Stacker 830 (total 7 fans installed, including the two which come with the Stacker)
... And a Partridge In A Pear Tree!
Progscan,
Our systems are close enough in specs for me to judge your claim by my experience. I have an Athlon 64 4000+ with the same cooler as you in an Epox 9NPA Ultra mobo, 2Gb Patriot Dual DDR RAM, and the BFG 7800 GT OC GFX card plus a couple of PATA HDDs and a single DVD Writer.
I only use the two 120mm fans supplied with the Stacker 830. The CPU temperature reports higher at idle in this mobo than mobos from other manufacturers. My temps as I type this are GPU 44c, CPU 43c, motherboard temp 30c, and both my hard drives at 25c. Under sustain load and burn in my CPU temp rises to a maximum of 50c, the GFX rises to 70c max.
My previous case was a Coolermaster Black Widow with four 80mm case fans. The components in that case were identical but more confined due to that case's smaller size. The difference between my system temperatures in the older Black Widow case and my Stacker 830 is 2c at best. The 830 is only a trifle quieter than its predecessor.
Now why don't you go into similar detail about the specifics of your before and after temperature claims. I'd be more than happy to apologise for my extreme scepticism if you are able to stand your claims up.
We could be much more helpful to one another if we restrained the hyperbole in these threads. Products don't have to be perfect to be good or to be good enough. I'm happy enough with my Stacker 830. I'm disappointed with some of its features but so what? I can afford it so it's good enough, but I'd be mightily pee'd off had I spent my life savings on it on the basis of claims that it could work miracles. Blimey! were we to be able to assemble a few dozen cases like yours in the Antarctic we'd have global warming licked in no time!
Please don't take this too seriously, I'm not accusing you of creating the hole in the ozone layer, but you've got to admit that with all those fans and hard drives running in your system you're more guilty than I am.
Our systems are close enough in specs for me to judge your claim by my experience. I have an Athlon 64 4000+ with the same cooler as you in an Epox 9NPA Ultra mobo, 2Gb Patriot Dual DDR RAM, and the BFG 7800 GT OC GFX card plus a couple of PATA HDDs and a single DVD Writer.
I only use the two 120mm fans supplied with the Stacker 830. The CPU temperature reports higher at idle in this mobo than mobos from other manufacturers. My temps as I type this are GPU 44c, CPU 43c, motherboard temp 30c, and both my hard drives at 25c. Under sustain load and burn in my CPU temp rises to a maximum of 50c, the GFX rises to 70c max.
My previous case was a Coolermaster Black Widow with four 80mm case fans. The components in that case were identical but more confined due to that case's smaller size. The difference between my system temperatures in the older Black Widow case and my Stacker 830 is 2c at best. The 830 is only a trifle quieter than its predecessor.
Now why don't you go into similar detail about the specifics of your before and after temperature claims. I'd be more than happy to apologise for my extreme scepticism if you are able to stand your claims up.
We could be much more helpful to one another if we restrained the hyperbole in these threads. Products don't have to be perfect to be good or to be good enough. I'm happy enough with my Stacker 830. I'm disappointed with some of its features but so what? I can afford it so it's good enough, but I'd be mightily pee'd off had I spent my life savings on it on the basis of claims that it could work miracles. Blimey! were we to be able to assemble a few dozen cases like yours in the Antarctic we'd have global warming licked in no time!
Please don't take this too seriously, I'm not accusing you of creating the hole in the ozone layer, but you've got to admit that with all those fans and hard drives running in your system you're more guilty than I am.
Leporello said:
Hello!
*sigh*
Okay, someone we've stumbled into a contest for 'who's got the coolest case' - don't know how it happened, but I'll take responsibility and apologise. Clearly I've angered some Case God and he's smiting me in this thread.
For the record, my current temps are (as reported by the CoolerDrive 6):
CPU: 25.4c Idle - around 32-5c under load
Mobo: 26.0c - stays pretty much around this temp all the time.
GPU: 35.6c - 40-5c under load
HD's - 22.6c - and stays within that range under load (both are cooled)
As for before temps - off the top of my head, it was idling around 35-8c on the CPU, and 28-30 for the mobo, sorry don't have data for the others.
Precisely - and as I've said I think I suffered the same space capacity issue with the Lian-Li, and with the improved airflow is why I'm seeing lower temps.
Your sceptism, frankly, is not needed; I'm not interested - I joined the thread to offer support to you, and it was rebuffed.
Not sure there's any other way to take that remark, than seriously. I purchased the case because of the airflow design, which as a product, was what I was looking for. My temps versus yours do show some kind of improvement with the additional fans.
And obviously if you were so concerned about Global Warming then you'd have purchased an xPC or similar rather than a monster like the Stacker 830.
Good bit of debate going on here
Did you use the same device to measure the temperatures in both cases and were things like the thermal paste kept consistent?
15 is a awful lot to change as I said before, and I think the temperature sensor must be reporting wrong, as bar using deltas in the new stacker and packing it out, I can not see how it can cool that well, unless the temps are taken currently in a freezing room at 2am, when the old ones were in the height of summer
It is just 15 seems way way to much, 7/8 is about the top improvement I have seen regularly with reliable readings, cases just do not make that much difference especially the jump from PC60 (similar to 201) to a stacker.
Did you use the same device to measure the temperatures in both cases and were things like the thermal paste kept consistent?
15 is a awful lot to change as I said before, and I think the temperature sensor must be reporting wrong, as bar using deltas in the new stacker and packing it out, I can not see how it can cool that well, unless the temps are taken currently in a freezing room at 2am, when the old ones were in the height of summer
It is just 15 seems way way to much, 7/8 is about the top improvement I have seen regularly with reliable readings, cases just do not make that much difference especially the jump from PC60 (similar to 201) to a stacker.
Yewen said:Good bit of debate going on here
Did you use the same device to measure the temperatures in both cases and were things like the thermal paste kept consistent?
15 is a awful lot to change as I said before, and I think the temperature sensor must be reporting wrong, as bar using deltas in the new stacker and packing it out, I can not see how it can cool that well, unless the temps are taken currently in a freezing room at 2am, when the old ones were in the height of summer
It is just 15 seems way way to much, 7/8 is about the top improvement I have seen regularly with reliable readings, cases just do not make that much difference especially the jump from PC60 (similar to 201) to a stacker.
Sorry, should've said - Thermal paste is AS5, constant on both.
I previously had an Akasa All-In-One jobby to take the temps in the Lian-Li.
That might be the issue then if you have changed the temperature sensor, the TR3a for example over reads by 2 I have found out.
If the temperature sensor has changed between systems then it is not a fair test. (Oh god it sounds like a bit of GCSE coursework now
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If the temperature sensor has changed between systems then it is not a fair test. (Oh god it sounds like a bit of GCSE coursework now
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ProgScan said:Hello!
I joined the thread to offer support to you, and it was rebuffed.
You miss my point entirely. I don't consider it helpful when people post exaggerated and unsubstantiated claims for a piece of hardware I might be considering buying. The reason I gave you my specs was not to get into competition with you over the merits of our respective systems but to illustrate the similarities in our specs and the reasons for my doubts about your claimed 15c reduction with the particular case which we both own.
I'm sorry that you see this as a rebuff. It was intended as a light hearted challenge to your bold assertion and, which is more pertinent to our argument, as a note of caution to others who might be considering this case.
I didn't mention thermal paste in my system as I took it as read that we both were sufficiently knowledgeable to know how to mount a heatsink. You also mention that you have more fans than I and I must tell you that I still don't believe your 15c claim.
We shouldn't let this concern us too much. Hypeing up one's toys is not a capital offence, so let's pass on. Others will make what they may out of our different experiences and hopefully find it useful.
Leporello said:
As I said in an earlier post - I couldn't care less whether you do or do not believe what I've said; I have a case, which fulfills the brief I wanted when deciding my next case purchase.
Personally, the Stacker 830 isn't a case I'd recommend to everyone, partly because of its size and weight - however, I take your point on the niggles.
I would add if your temps are really that high, you do have other cooling issues. Instead of berating me, perhaps you should sort those out first.
What are wrong with his temperatures?
If the rig is stable, there are no problems with running a rig at 60 even 70 deg!
The components are rated to run at these temperatures, it is just people do not think it is safe to, but it is as long as it is stable.
I two people running generic cases with high end rigs perfectly fine, one has a 4200 and a 7800gt sli rig in a OcUK Estar Benz case, case temps are low 60's but it is stable.
As it is rock stable I can not make him buy a PC7+, he just is not having it
If the rig is stable, there are no problems with running a rig at 60 even 70 deg!
The components are rated to run at these temperatures, it is just people do not think it is safe to, but it is as long as it is stable.
I two people running generic cases with high end rigs perfectly fine, one has a 4200 and a 7800gt sli rig in a OcUK Estar Benz case, case temps are low 60's but it is stable.
As it is rock stable I can not make him buy a PC7+, he just is not having it
Hmmm. Right, First of all I like the case. I don't expect anyone else to. I had not seen many pictures from users of the case as its quite new so I thought I would post some with my thoughts about it.
I can understand some people will not like the look, That does not make them right or me wrong just different opinions.
The competior *'s were NOT a hint. Just a number of stars. If you chose to interperit it otherwise then fair enough. Its been changed.
The reason for buying the case in the first place is as the basis of a new system. Matching black opticals are on the list to buy along with a lot of otherstuff.
I have a new MB the asus crossfire delux one and its fine.
I still think the case is good value for money and it works for me!
I can understand some people will not like the look, That does not make them right or me wrong just different opinions.
The competior *'s were NOT a hint. Just a number of stars. If you chose to interperit it otherwise then fair enough. Its been changed.
The reason for buying the case in the first place is as the basis of a new system. Matching black opticals are on the list to buy along with a lot of otherstuff.
I have a new MB the asus crossfire delux one and its fine.
I still think the case is good value for money and it works for me!