My Coolermaster Stacker 830

Dashik said:
I still think the case is good value for money and it works for me!

Exactly why the case is good for YOU!

But this thread has moved onto a debate on it offering, or not, a 15deg temperature drop over a PC60.

EDIT: Dashik could you do me a HUGE favour please, what power lead are you using with your joystick. I tired what I thought was the lead and it plew the fuse :p
 
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Yewen said:
Exactly why the case is good for YOU!

But this thread has moved onto a debate on it offering, or not, a 15deg temperature drop over a PC60.

EDIT: Dashik could you do me a HUGE favour please, what power lead are you using with your joystick. I tired what I thought was the lead and it plew the fuse :p

Just the original cable that came with it I'm afraid Yewen.

The case did help reduce temps for me. Probably because the old Coolermaster Case did not have so much ventillation.
 
Yewen said:
What are wrong with his temperatures?

If the rig is stable, there are no problems with running a rig at 60 even 70 deg!

The components are rated to run at these temperatures, it is just people do not think it is safe to, but it is as long as it is stable.

Do you mind if I ask what you do, as I find that advice incredibly naive.

Any reasonably informed geek would know excessive heat, over a long period of time damages the internal electrical connections on a die, and thus shortens the lifespan of the product concerned.

Personally, I'm glad we're away from the bad old days of chips running hot as standard - why do you think AMD are pushing 'Cool & Quiet'?
 
What I do is of no concern to the debate.

A component for example, like a old 1.2ghz Athlon thunderbird is rated to last 12 years at 60deg.

That to me is a fine amount of life for the component, as I do not use it in my main rig still!

Excessive heat yes, but have you ever checked the temperature on some PC's that have been around from 1999 and still running fine now, quite a few run very toasty in case temperatures and are still rock stable to this day.

If you are running overclocked components then that is obvious temeprature matters a lot more due to the increased risks and stress you are putting on the components.

The thing is, if a AMD Athlon X2 is rated to be safe operating at X deg, then it is safe to run it at X deg 24/7 for maybe a decade, without issue.

The chips are running cool and quiet to save power, reduce heat and prevent the usage of higher powered heatsinks at stock, reduce overall system noise back to the good old passive days.

It is also marketing, if AMD can claim there pc throttles and allows the fans to dynamically alter to follow the needs of the system, then joe bloggs in a PC showroom will think it is brilliant, and buy the PC.

The shortens lifespan, I can not even produce a argument on that I could stand by and be counted for, as it is 100% fact that the cooler your system runs, the longer it lasts, providing everything is stock.

BUT

How much life does this temperature knock of the component, as the working life for a component in a top spec computer is only a couple of years, and in a buisness machine, which uses lower heat components usually, the working life is usually about 8 years tops in my experience before a company takes to the upgrade. So if the processor was meant to last for 20 years, half of that for the heat, which is still within the specifications or the processor would throttle to protect itself from damage.

That is perfectly acceptable to me, if it is stable and within what AMD or Intel say is safe operating conditions, then that is good enough for me and I would not be concerned with it.

On a note, my cpu temperature at the moment is 30 and the case is 23.

So I am your normal geek with temperatures, but I am saying that a case temperature of 50/60 is fine as long as the rig is stable and all the parts are rated to that temperature.
 
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