My first build in years - What do you think!

Spydell · 19 Aug 2011 at 17:29

stulid said:
Its good for when you can only afford a 20-30GB SSD, with a 64GB SSD you don't need to do any caching as you can get everything (OS+games) on the SSD.

No, a 20gb ssd is no good with smart response technology as it quickly fills up the cache while swapping between games ect and causes it to lose older data thus becoming useless while wanting to play your favorite games.

stulid · 19 Aug 2011 at 17:30

Spydell said:
No its much slower

Gen 3 ive already explained is useless right now.

No its not, and its more future proof.

The hdd u spec'd may have more space but its a slow hdd running at 5400rpm

Doesnt matter when the OP is using a SSD.

1866mhz ram has been proven to show slight improvements over 1600mhz in certain areas but that was not my main port of call.

No it doesnt,

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/memory/2011/01/11/the-best-memory-for-sandy-bridge/1

However, our testing shows that memory rated at over 1,866MHz doesn't give much extra performance. Worse still, in some applications only 1,333MHz memory gives a performance penalty, meaning that 1,600MHz memory is fine.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html

Therefore, we believe that inexpensive DDR3-1600 SDRAM with not very aggressive timings would be the most reasonable choice for contemporary LGA1155 systems: in our opinion, memory like that offers the best price-to-performance ratio today.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3

The sweet spot appears to be at DDR3-1600, where you will see a minor performance increase over DDR3-1333 with only a slight increase in cost. The performance increase gained by going up to DDR3-1866 or DDR3-2133 isn't nearly as pronounced.

I don't have time to be arguing on forums all night unlike some so if you have a quality point to make then will you get to please.

You havent got time to argue maybe because your points and suggestions are invalid

stulid · 19 Aug 2011 at 17:32

Spydell said:
No, a 20gb ssd is no good with smart response technology as it quickly fills up the cache while swapping between games ect and causes it to lose older data thus becoming useless while wanting to play your favorite games.

Sounds like you need to go read up on how this whole SSD caching thing works.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2011/05/13/what-is-the-intel-z68-chipset/5

As the SSD is a cache for commonly accessed data, it doesn’t need to be particularly large, and therefore doesn’t need to cost a lot. For example, Intel has launched its 20GB Solid-State Drive 331 drive to be used with Smart Response.

Intel have a dedicated 20GB SSD just for this task, it doesnt need to be any bigger than this.

Reaper 392 · 19 Aug 2011 at 17:35

Spydell said:
No it was cheaper not better.

stulids is better

-fedexer- · 19 Aug 2011 at 17:41

Also try not to go for the raid0 approach, as you've been made aware the reliability is very slim, trust this from someone who lost a TB of data.... last time i foolishly leave that much data not backed up >.>

Spydell · 19 Aug 2011 at 17:46

stulid said:
Doesnt matter when the OP is using a SSD.

He still has to access the slower hdd for whatever reason.

I knew you would go all out on the ram point of view seen as thats the only half decent excuse you have to be even questioning me,
I never said that 1600mhz was not fine so you have no need to make it bold like i claimed that it wasnt and as i said,
[proven to show slight improvements]
And [The main port of call is because there on offer right now at only £60 while being priced the same as 1600mhz]
Where is the rest of your reply to the things i said???

You havent got time to argue maybe because your pints and suggestions are invalid

My point is quiet clear.

Ohh and FYI i know exactly how it works.

stulid · 19 Aug 2011 at 17:49

Spydell said:
The msi board has 8 Phase Power Design when compared to the gigabytes 12 Phase Power Design.

.

The MSI has top end components as part of the Military class!! scheme

He still has to access the slower hdd for whatever reason.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=19837167&postcount=9

Thanks to Surveyor it clearly shows with evidence how much faster a F4 is compared to a standard 5400rpm drive

I also forgot to mention that when the pc i spec'd is built it will have a much more uniformed look to it as there is a nice black theme surrounding it,
Unlike your spec which seams to be all over the place and have no theme going on what so ever and when built will just look tacky.

So you are style over substance

You would be happy to waste the OP's valuable money on stuff because its "Black" etc, instead of getting the best performance possible for his hard earned money.

And actually if you bothered to look at what I specced you would see that the CASE+PSU+Graphics card is Black, the main PCB of the MSI board is Black also with just the two PCi-E slots heatsinks and RAM slots in Blue, the Corsair RAM I selected is also Blue to match

Thats all your points answered.

Spydell · 19 Aug 2011 at 17:50

Reaper 392 said:
stulids is better

Nice sig

Edit sarcasm

Spydell · 19 Aug 2011 at 17:55

stulid said:
The MSI has top end components as part of the Military class!! scheme

I didn't say it didn't did i?

I said it has 8 Phase Power Design when compared to the gigabytes 12 Phase Power Design which anybody that plans on overclocking will be able to tell you is better and pretty much all those who are looking to buy the 2500k edition will more than likely want to overclock there chip.

So you are style over substance

No but it was another valid point.

reefbarman · 19 Aug 2011 at 17:59

Lol I have kinda lost track of the points!

But I have decided to lift my budget a little to get a 128gb SSD (missus be damned lol) because i don't think I could live for less!

It would be nice to kinda future proof even if ivy bridge doesn't hit it off I will have pci-e 3.0 for future gpus on the gen 3 boards

Ram will prob just be the best i can get for £50-£70 pounds at the time (I'm thinking of committing by mid next week, PAY DAY yeah!) so I got a few days and now a weekend to tweak my build and get it perfect!

stulid · 19 Aug 2011 at 18:01

Spydell said:
I didn't say it didn't did i?

I said it has 8 Phase Power Design when compared to the gigabytes 12 Phase Power Design which anybody that plans on overclocking will be able to tell you is better and pretty much all those who are looking to buy the 2500k edition will more than likely want to overclock there chip.

If you ever looked at reviews of lesser boards with just 4phase or more etc, you would see they have no problems overclocking i5 2500K to solid results.

The ASUS P67 le, the Asrock Z68pro3 etc all do a solid 4.5ghz.

stulid · 19 Aug 2011 at 18:02

reefbarman said:
Lol I have kinda lost track of the points!

But I have decided to lift my budget a little to get a 128gb SSD (missus be damned lol) because i don't think I could live for less!

It would be nice to kinda future proof even if ivy bridge doesn't hit it off I will have pci-e 3.0 for future gpus on the gen 3 boards

Ram will prob just be the best i can get for £50-£70 pounds at the time (I'm thinking of committing by mid next week, PAY DAY yeah!) so I got a few days and now a weekend to tweak my build and get it perfect!

Then take what I specced and get a 128GB SSD in it and your sorted for now and the future.

1600mhz RAM is all you need, the three RAM guides I listed above with conclusions all say this.

Spydell · 19 Aug 2011 at 18:03

reefbarman said:
Lol I have kinda lost track of the points!

But I have decided to lift my budget a little to get a 128gb SSD (missus be damned lol) because i don't think I could live for less!

It would be nice to kinda future proof even if ivy bridge doesn't hit it off I will have pci-e 3.0 for future gpus on the gen 3 boards

Ram will prob just be the best i can get for £50-£70 pounds at the time (I'm thinking of committing by mid next week, PAY DAY yeah!) so I got a few days and now a weekend to tweak my build and get it perfect!

Well whatever your decision, good luck with your build

Spydell · 19 Aug 2011 at 18:07

stulid said:
If you ever looked at reviews of lesser boards with just 4phase or more etc, you would see they have no problems overclocking i5 2500K to solid results.

The ASUS P67 le, the Asrock Z68pro3 etc all do a solid 4.5ghz.

We were not discussing the ASUS P67 le, the Asrock Z68pro3 etc was we....
And dont talk to me about 4 phase being as good as 12 because if that was the case they would all be 4 phase boards wouldn't they :rolleyes:

stulid · 19 Aug 2011 at 18:10

Spydell said:
We were not discussing the ASUS P67 le, the Asrock Z68pro3 etc was we....
And dont talk to me about 4 phase being as good as 12 because if that was the case they would all be 4 phase boards wouldn't they

Just making the well know point that the sandybridge range of chips dont need much Vcore extra(if at all) to get from stock to 4.5ghz, so the solid designs of all these boards with 4 phases are fine.

stulid · 19 Aug 2011 at 18:13

Spydell said:
Nice sig

Edit sarcasm

So lets see what you got

Jony27 · 19 Aug 2011 at 18:21

stulid said:
So lets see what you got

this, i didnt see the point of the post.
Phenom IIs are still capable chips :rolleyes:

Reaper 392 · 21 Aug 2011 at 23:51

Spydell said:
Nice sig

Edit sarcasm

whats wrong with it? theres loads of sigs like mine floating around OcUK.
also, at the time (february) that was about the best computer you could get for ~£450.

pretty immature comment imo

scrlk · 21 Aug 2011 at 23:58

Spydell said:
We were not discussing the ASUS P67 le, the Asrock Z68pro3 etc was we....
And dont talk to me about 4 phase being as good as 12 because if that was the case they would all be 4 phase boards wouldn't they

Depends what kind of quality VRM design they are using tbh.

Don't try and argue with stulid, he will make you regret it.

ristac · 22 Aug 2011 at 10:35

Gosh this is a bitch of a thread, I too was going 2 x HD in RAID0 and then a 2GB for data. I posted this thread http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18308809 and the speed comparison for RAID0 had it sold to me until reading through this...