My First Experience on a Bike...

truly fast roads dont have corners?

i think he means with a bike you can pass other vehicles easier quicker acceleration from for example 100-150 etc than a car

what speed do veyrons do quarter miles in ?
 
What he meant is, A to B on the public roads, 9 times out of 10 a bike will get there faster than a car.

On a track, a bike is generally slower than a car - there is a vid floating about of a bike vs a gallardo and the gallardo won.
 
On a smooth road with lots of corners a bike will be slower than a car. It's a simple matter of physics.

Don't underestimate the A-B speed of non-performance machines either. My BMW F650 that I use for my daily commute may look like a piece of junk but it will waste most stuff off the lights up to about 50mph ish.

Power to weight is a bikers friend.

Excluding the rider:
ZX10R - 185bhp - 169Kg = 1091bhp/tonne
RSV1000 Factory - 143bhp - 180Kg = 794bhp/tonne
F650 - 50bhp - 175Kg = 285bhp/tonne

And some fast cars:
Veyron - 1001bhp - 1880Kg = 531bhp/tonne
M5 - 500bhp - 1830Kg = 275bhp/tonne
997 Turbo - 480bhp - 1585Kg = 302bhp/tonne
Ariel Atom - 300bhp - 456Kg = 657bhp/tonne

Only the Atom gets close but is still way down.
Even my junk F650 has a better power to weight ratio than a BMW M5.
 
Rilot said:
Excluding the rider:
ZX10R - 185bhp - 169Kg = 1091bhp/tonne
RSV1000 Factory - 143bhp - 180Kg = 794bhp/tonne
F650 - 50bhp - 175Kg = 285bhp/tonne

And some fast cars:
Veyron - 1001bhp - 1880Kg = 531bhp/tonne
M5 - 500bhp - 1830Kg = 275bhp/tonne
997 Turbo - 480bhp - 1585Kg = 302bhp/tonne
Ariel Atom - 300bhp - 456Kg = 657bhp/tonne

Only the Atom gets close but is still way down.
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There is a new Atom on the Horizon:D 500BHP+:cool:

Although every day im taking more and more interest in bikes:o

But i know if i get one someone will get my kidney and another person will have my Liver.
I can a do drive sensible and dont take all that many risks but i can see just one thing going wrong and me flying down a hill side:o
 
When ever I hear 'cars corner quicker than bikes' it always makes it sound like ANY car can corner quicker. Its only the super sports cars that corner quicker, I'd say that 99% of the cars on the road wont corner quicker than a sports bike.

Also bikes corner just as quick on long corners normally, its the sharper corners where cars can change direction quicker. Theres not a lot you can do against 4 fat tyres vs 2 little ones.

1098 vs Lambo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZKRaphfVHqI
999 vs Lambo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0IbBiQgw7s
Blade vs Civic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iq1QuBpkic
Agusta vs 550GT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np69GwnGsAo
 
If you've never experienced a fast bike then you've really gotta try it.. you have to recalibrate your brain.

I've been lucky enough to of been in a lot of fast cars driven hard such as F360CS, F550, M5, Gallardo, a 550bhp 911, F430 and none of them give the same kick as a fast accelerating big bore sports bike.

I must admit of all of them the 911 came mildey close to the thrills and the 360 could take corners like on rails...

Being a pillion does however really slow a bike down, as it kills the power to weight by quite a lot.. but still gives a rough idea of how it feels to ride one solo.


As far as cornering, bike riders need a lot of balls to match even a moderatly fast car on the road with a average driver, but once you get past the fear thing the bike does take a lot of beating, especially if you have sticky rubber on.
 
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Rilot said:
Power to weight is a bikers friend.

Excluding the rider:
ZX10R - 185bhp - 169Kg = 1091bhp/tonne
RSV1000 Factory - 143bhp - 180Kg = 794bhp/tonne
F650 - 50bhp - 175Kg = 285bhp/tonne
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And that is why the Elise will be up for sale soon, to be replaced with a bike. (and the fact that Bristol is terrible for traffic anyway)
 
Draeger said:
However, it's not just the 0-60 times that make them quick from A to B on the roads, "in-gear" acceleration comes into play, as well as manouverability, visibility over traffic in front etc.

Sure.....stick a Veryon up against something even like a turbo Busa in a straight line on a dragstrip or airfield and I'm sure the car will wipe the floor with the bike.
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The thing is on a modern properly geared litre bike there really is no perceivable letup in acceleration. I know mine with mild tuning will run all the way to a real world calibrated 175 without any letup in pull before bouncing off the limiter, there is no ''sitting there willing the speedo to climb abit'.

..even more scary, that all takes place I guess in about 16 -18 seconds. (I know even a old shed like a FZR1000EXUP RU can get to 160 in 18.)


I think on a drag strip a Veyron would be mullered, just because by the time aerodynamics come into play (say 160ish mph) the veyron would be too far behind. Given enough room it would walk it however :)

top tip for any big sports bike rider, lower your gearing, just no point have the 186 limiter kick in (read 178mph ish with speedo error) ...drop a tooth on front sprocket and the bike becomes pure evil.
 
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It then becomes wheelie time! :D

I think a Veyron and maybe a radical (with busa engine) in a straight line launch will possibly get the best of bike purely because to launch a bike in 3-3.5s to 60 takes a huge amount of skill - keeping the wheel down/traction. I've done fast launches against 911s and m3s and left them for dust, but it does take some nerve to do it in my opinion.
 
Flukester said:
top tip for any big sports bike rider, lower your gearing, just no point have the 186 limiter kick in (read 178mph ish with speedo error) ...drop a tooth on front sprocket and the bike becomes pure evil.
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Yep, I run a 16 tooth front/44 tooth rear Renthal set up. Standard on the RSV is 17/42.

I loose around 15-20mph off the top end of @174mph from standard gearing, but the drive the change in sprockets give is incredible - its like someone has added around 50bhp extra to the thing. ;)

A very cost effective tuning mod for any bike.

The Brucey bonus is that it also lifts the front wheel in the first three gears at the slightest sniff of the throttle -which can be fun, as long as you know how to ride the thing and treat it with the respect it commands. :cool:
 
Freefaller said:
It then becomes wheelie time! :D

I think a Veyron and maybe a radical (with busa engine) in a straight line launch will possibly get the best of bike purely because to launch a bike in 3-3.5s to 60 takes a huge amount of skill - keeping the wheel down/traction. I've done fast launches against 911s and m3s and left them for dust, but it does take some nerve to do it in my opinion.
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yeah a real problem launching quick, be too cautious and your slow, too eager, your slow as your on one wheel... the point which is the best is abit of a holy grail :)

being slow on one wheel does look cool though, well, proberly looks and is reckless but feels great
 
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Yep, I run a 16 tooth front/44 tooth rear Renthal set up. Standard on the RSV is 17/42.

I loose around 15-20mph off the top end of @174mph from standard gearing, but the drive the change in sprockets give is incredible - its like someone has added around 50bhp extra to the thing. ;)

A very cost effective tuning mod for any bike.

The Brucey bonus is that it also lifts the front wheel in the first three gears at the slightest sniff of the throttle -which can be fun, as long as you know how to ride the thing and treat it with the respect it commands. :cool:
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I bet thats a beast m8, vtwins are savage stock but with that kinda gearing :eek::eek::eek:

Deffo best bang for buck mod that can be done, like a 10 quid sprocket makes it feel your riding a factory WSB
 
Hehe have a go on a busa with a competent rider, 0-150 in silly time while only holding on with one hand, scared the life out of me lol! and I was only riding the sv650 myself then, never been a pillion again yet and wont ever again if I can help it lol.

Nice Sprockets Draeger :p ive gone +2 on my 750, as really when am I going to need 170mph top end, not even on any of the UK tracks I doubt, well not with my current ability lol, but 0-60 in prob 3 sec or even quicker comes in handy :p
 
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Flukester said:
I bet thats a beast m8, vtwins are savage stock but with that kinda gearing :eek::eek::eek:

Deffo best bang for buck mod that can be done, like a 10 quid sprocket makes it feel your riding a factory WSB
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Yes m8, it is a bit of a beast. :p

About three years ago when I first decided to mess around with the gearing, I had my local spanner monkey fit the Renthals whilst it was in getting serviced.

Went to pick it up and he warned me to be very careful on the way home.

I kinda dismissed the warning as I have been riding for about 20 years and had owned the Mille for a while.

I left the bike shop, got out of town and gave it a handful.

Gobsmacked was the only word I can use.......:eek: :D

On the way to the Bikesafe course last night, I was following my mate on his 2007 Yam R1. Hardly any effort required to stick on his tail through the twisties because of the drive out of the corners on the RSV, although he has the edge on the straight bits. :)
 
I did a passenger run on the back of my mates RSV Mille round the Nurburgring last year and it was the scariest but best 9 mins off my life :cool: Holding on for dear life when he was pushing it hard wasnt easy!! The rear seat cover has now been put on and the footpegs removed so I'll not be having another lift when we are back over there this weekend, but once round there was good enough for me :D

Only experiance I have riding a bike was on my same mates old CBR 600. There is an old runway near us which you can get on (shouldnt, but can ;)) and had a dozen or so runs up and down there. The ease at which the speedo flys round is unreal and it feels so much safer then you'd expect.

Once we get back next week from our 'Ring trip I'm sorting out my direct access course for the summer. Its been something I've been meaning to do the past 2 years but somethings always came up and stopped me, but with the changes in the teat coming into play in October then there is no stopping me this time!!!
 
Flukester said:
I've been lucky enough to of been in a lot of fast cars driven hard such as F360CS, F550, M5, Gallardo, a 550bhp 911, F430 and none of them give the same kick as a fast accelerating big bore sports bike.
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This is so true. My business partner just bought a Nissan 350Z GT - ok its not in the same exotica ballpark as the ones above, but its still a fairly quick car. We went out for a drive in it a few weeks ago and whilst it is quick and sounds nice, somehow its just not exciting. Its just far too sanitised. At the time I was still a bit jealous because the weather was being crap and I hadnt been out on my bike for ages.

Then I went out at the weekend with st0rmer and we did a quick 115 miles around the dales on my GSXR750 and his new SV650 and realised why I love bikes so much. Nothing compares to the thrill of a fast ride on good roads in good weather, and whilst that might not happen all that often in the UK (at least last summer) its a treat thats worth waiting for :)

A bike, especially a sportsbike, is just a raw explosion of power and noise, and learning to harness that is so much more rewarding that being cocooned in an airconditioned, power steering and brake assisted car. I love everything about them - the wind blast, the airbox roar, the sound of a 14k revving engine, even the smell when I open the garage.
 
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