My first relationship thread, consisting of multiple OCUKers.

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vaultingSlinky said:
1. Im guessing holly was your 'first love', you will get over it :) (spoken with my worldly 19 years of experience :p)

2. No your not, the person you finally meet that does understand and appreciate you, they are/will be your true love and you just gotta find em....lets just hope its not a bloke eh?

3. Heavy Drinking? although dont actually do this

Point by point:

1. Holly was not my first love, she was the first girl i ever loved this much. So i mean I guess you could say she was my first love, but I have had other loves.

2. I dont think I could be attracted to a bloke either way with out opening a can of words, from my religion I dont think I would ever be gay because well the bible tells me not to be ;)

3. Just given up drinking because people thought it was getting a bit of a problem with me. When i went out drinking I would get absoloutly wasted, not something i need to do anymore!
 
id like to know what happened when you first met holly , what happened to the old bf that you told him you was gay.. did she dump him or did he dump her
miss part of the story :)

plus i think you was going abit to far talking to holly and stuff on the camp with her bf around.
you need tactics dude, its just something you dont do with girls is talk to them when there bf is around , you have to be sneaky and figure out when and where
otherwise these problems will arise.
 
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I have a few things to say, the first one just being, wow. It takes a lot of energy and courage to write such things on a public forum, and you have done well.

Regarding your relationship, you need to remember several things. Firstly, she has obviously gone through a lot with you. It is always difficult to see what we put our loved ones through, especially as the normal human instinct in situations such as yours is to think about sorting yourself out first, and then sort out the fallout from arguments. Without ever having spoken to Holly, I cannot comment on her side of the story, although I do not doubt that occasionally she would have given as good as she got.
I know a lot of people whose only instinct after being in a long-term relationship is to have companionship and physical intimacy again. It is very difficult to go from always having someone by your side to being completely alone, and this drives many people into the arms of someone else. It is difficult to understand if you don't feel the same way, but it happens. By going on dates with other men, she has a chance to try and push her feelings for you to the back of her mind as there is someone else to fill the void you have left.

You are both still young, and a lot of people who get into relationships at a young age will be inseparable for a long time, and then it can all suddenly change. From what I can guess, this comes because people generally change in their late teenage years, and what can be a fun or even comforting relationship at 16 is not what the same person wants at 20. For a relationship to work at that age, you have to still both want similar thing.
It may well be that as Holly has grown up over the last couple of years, the comfort provided from your relationship is no longer what she wants from a relationship. Again, I am only guessing.

You say that you bought her everything you could. This alone does not make a perfect boyfriend. Love and attention can be worth a thousand romantic meals and presents. You shouldn't feel that for a girl to stay with you or even love you that you need to spend money on her. If you are in a distance relationship (which seems implied by your posts), then yes, make sure you always have enough money to visit, but you shouldn't feel that every time you go you need to take something.

I think that perhaps you need some time to just be around your friends and think about what you want from life. If it hurts to talk to Holly, then don't even give yourself a chance. Tell her that you want some time, and say you will contact her when you feel more comfortable and confident.
It really sounds like she wants to move on with her life, and taking her age into consideration, I think you should let her.

There is not always just one person who can make us smile, just that only one person will turn up at a time. It is not such a bad thing to sleep with more than one person in your life. In fact, in some cases, planning to do so will make you less likely to ever want to let the first person go, because what do you do when they are gone and you can't be with anyone else?
Don't limit yourself, just set reasonable boundaries. It is always a good idea to know what you find moral and immoral, so think about this. Would you be willing to be with someone else again after a relationship of several months? Or perhaps when you feel that spark again and the time feels "right"? What if you do that, but then the relationship doesn't last? Would you feel like you had betrayed yourself, or glad that you had taken that step with someone you felt love for?

I've just realised how much I have written, so I'll stop there. I hope this can be of some help in answering your questions.
 
mosehn said:
id like to know what happened when you first met holly , what happened to the old bf that you told him you was gay.. did she dump him or did he dump her
miss part of the story :)

She broke up with him, she wasnt happy with their relationship anyway. He wasnt the greatest boyfriend and didnt pay much attention from what i understand. She broke up with him directly after Reading. Its something that cant be helped. The old boyfriend believed the story about me being gay... the exact circumstances dont really help... i was dressed in a womans haulter neck top and a thong at the time. That well I did because I was drunk... oh yeah lets not forget the haulter neck top. The picture has been posted here before. Pretty irrellevant, a memory i look back fondly on, just how simple things in life were back there in comparison to now....

The fact I told him I was gay was just so he didnt feel bad about his girlfriend hanging around with me.... I had no intentions back then of me and Holly having a relationship, although I thought she was amazing, I never ever want to be the guy who comes inbetween two people!
 
I read the first three paragraphs and saw the word Encephalitis. My best mate died from a form of Encephalitis 9 years ago. I can't remember the exact details but it was related to him contracting measles when he was younger. He started to experience slight muscles twitches which soon developed in to very violent muscle spasms. The doctors didn't know what was wrong with him other than it was a form of Encephalitis. They also didn't know if and when he would get better. About 5 months later he was bound to a wheel chair unable to walk. He was also partially blind and deaf. His family where told it was now very unlikely he would recover and to expect the worse. The last time I saw him he was still able to walk but soon found out that his parents had been told to expect the worse. He had been in and out of hospital having tests for ages and I had been at college so didn't get the chance to see him. His mum asked a few of his close friends to go round and see him. A couple of my mates went round and both came back in tears saying how unrecognisable he was. Me and another mate decided to go and see him but neither of us had the bottle to knock on his front door once we were there. We were both too scared and upset at the thought of seeing him in the state he was in. We both decided we couldn't go through with it and went home. That's still the biggest regret in my life and I still feel disgusted with myself that I didn't make more of an effort to see him. He eventually lost his sight and hearing completely and died a few weeks later.

I haven't really got any advise to give you but I do know you are very lucky to have come through such an illness alive. Regardless of whether you find someone amazing that will understand and appreciate you or not I know for a fact you wouldn't have the choice if you didn't have your health. Use that as a building block and make the most of whatever comes your way.

Edit: Sorry, that sounds really cheesy.
 
Bracco that is a lot of stuff to think about in there and I agree with lots of it. Now I know that Holly and I arent meant to be together we are different people but I cant help the fact that I love her the amount I do love her. She to me is an amazing person and everything I have ever felt for her I felt for with reason. You mentioned about the buying things, it wasnt that that was how i was only showing affection. Each thing I did had its sentiment and reason, I bought her a computer so we would be able to talk more, long distance phone calls in comparison to the prices of msn. Treating her all the time I did to make her feel special, because I knew she deserved it. Anything to see her excited and to see that look on her face when I gave her something or did something. When I cooked her meals just the appreciation she had was what made me feel good about it all. Going somewhere romantic doing something romantic, was all those types of things that I loved doing!

Yeah we were both young and people change. I just feel right now although I have accepted Holly and I are different people. I feel protective in the sense that no-one is going to love her the way i love her right now, or see her the way i see her through my eyes.

Pigeon_Killer: Thanks, I do try and appreciate everything I have and do try to be thankful and positive. Sometimes its hard to stay positive. Depression is a side effect everyone with what i have had suffers, and its something that i think will be with me for a while. There are certain things in my brain which are hard to control, and emotions is a big one. I can switch very quickly from happy to sad, then find it hard to switch back. This is probably why depression is so common in people recovering from encephalitis! What your mate has sounds slightly different to what I had. I had HSV encephalitis (Herpes Simplex Viral), there is another strain which I cant remember which is to do with a different illness.
 
Replicant said:
Good read, i remember your thread with the Australian pics, this thread fills in some blanks for me i guess about your life.

Pic request for Holly35 :)

You can see her at the meet galleries, I dont have any I really want to post of her... maybe one day people will get to see all the bedroom pics i have of her lol!
 
Did you ask Holly if you could write about your personal relationship on a forum that you both use?

If you didn't then I think that this whole thread is very selfish and immature of you and, depending on how Holly feels, should be deleted.
 
Takhisis said:
Did you ask Holly if you could write about your personal relationship on a forum that you both use?

If you didn't then I think that this whole thread is very selfish and immature of you and, depending on how Holly feels, should be deleted.
Probably not the best place to air your dirty laundry dude, specially as Holly35 is a member. Previous threads like this have gone bye-bye also.
 
Takhisis said:
Did you ask Holly if you could write about your personal relationship on a forum that you both use?

If you didn't then I think that this whole thread is very selfish and immature of you and, depending on how Holly feels, should be deleted.


if you haven't asked her, i think this is possibly the worst, most selfish and just down right harsh post i have ever read

i'm not a fan of relationship posts in general, but when you *know* she is going to read this, why do it?

if she has agreed to this, i take it all back

but honestly - i cannot understand why you would have posted this, here.
relationships end - it is hard for both parties - but bringing it up in front of 'mutual friends'? would you do that in 'real life'? i don't think so

i hope you get it sorted out - between yourselves
 
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Whether it was the right thing or not I feel only Sepheh and Holly can answer that one.

How can I give up hope on loving someone so amazing?
Am I stuck for the rest of my life to be doomed with never having someone understand me and appreciate me for who I really am?
Is there anyway to stop the pain I feel right now?

You will not give up as such. But gradually over time it will fade to something else. This is where you need to decide what you want it to fade to.

Focus on the positive things that you had and you will always have warm memories to remember, focus on the negative aspects and it will fill you with hate. The choice is very much yours.

On the second point no you're not doomed. Time truly is the greatest healer.

Pain is good as it reminds you of what you had, and God willing what you may have in the future.

Your illness is not a disability it is just as aspect of your life thrust upon you without yuor will. I have ginger hair.

Ultimately though you seem to have had a lot of positives in your life and although times have been hard you have managed to pull through. Keep your faith and remember that tomorrow is a journey yet to be walked.

Back to general commentary:

The overall post was fairly neutral and I took from it the fact that he was in fact trying to explain and apologise to Holly. Granted some of the details could have been omitted but he has opened himself up for criticism. This is a public forum on the internet - people should never take offence from it.

I do not know Holly or Sepheh and I doubt I ever will. I do not think badly of either of them from this post. My only thoughts are that they are two special people who brought happiness to each other. Sadly things did not work out. Neither is particularly to blame - it is just life working itself out.

No one should feel bad about what others say about them on the internet. I do not feel that this was a deliberate attack I took it as a bloke trying to get everything off his chest.
 
I have to agree with Tak on this tbh, if you havent asked for holly's go ahead then i think you are out of line making this thread, if you have and shes fine with it then fair does.
 
I did talk to her about it and she was worried about coming accross 'badly' in it. But otherwise had no objections. Holly is not a bad person, and I did not do this to be selfish, I did this to try and get all my thoughts out and to cope with this all better. I dont want Holly to appear badly I just want to tell it how it is. I have said everything as fairly as I can.

I dont think it was selfish of my to write this thread, Holly of her own accord made herself part of everything I am. I have no-one I can really talk to about this which whom Holly does not know. She is more than welcome to change any information she may think is incorrect.

In response to Bar, he pretty much hit the nail on the head, I just wanted to get everything off my chest.

Anything Holly does disagree with I will change or omit. I dont want to give her a bad name because in the end she is an amazing person and thats not what this thread is focussing on, its focussing on who i am and why my relationship was eventually to not work. It has left me doubting a lot and very uncertain of things, hence the huge amount of detail at the beginning of the post and less as it goes on. I would not be as petty to try and make a personal attack on someone on an internet forum, as I see no point. If I had wanted to try and hurt her there are other ways around it, but I see no point in trying to hurt someone I care so deeply about.

This thread, just getting everything written down like it is, has helped me massively, because it is just getting all of my thoughts organised and put into a form where I can now confront it. I think if you read it you may very well understand that everything in my life is not something I have accepted and sometimes have turned my back on, or just tried to out-do through pushing myself. I am now just trying to get some type of clarity in my life.
 
Got to say bravo for writing out your feelings and reflecting on your situation but in all honesty the best next step will be to go and see a councellor to discuss it rather than seek advice on a public forum where other people who are intimately involved in the situation are known and where you may recieve inapropriate advice.

Your doctor will be able to refer you to someone who can support you better than we can and impartially at that.

MB
 
Matblack said:
Got to say bravo for writing out your feelings and reflecting on your situation but in all honesty the best next step will be to go and see a councellor to discuss it rather than seek advice on a public forum where other people who are intimately involved in the situation are known and where you may recieve inapropriate advice.

Your doctor will be able to refer you to someone who can support you better than we can and impartially at that.

MB

Thanks, not particularly looking for another miracle cure for depression. I am not a depressed person as such, just on one of those down points after coming out of a relationship with someone as such. I wrote it to have it on a forum to get it all out. Also Holly if she decides she wants to read it all she can and well she can even make the story more factual. I have tried to get the timing and events as factual as possible. I re-itterate the point that I didnt do this as any type of revenge.

I dont wanna turn this into a medical thread either, as that is not what this is about. I am just wondering since I have no friends who can relate to this situation really wether there may be anyone out there who has ever had to deal with similar. Already I have had some members talk to me and they have all really helped! You know who you are and thank you :) The internet is the most likely place I am to find someone to understand. I have been told by my pyschiatrist at the time that my 'depression' at the time is to not be helped by drugs as it is just a direct side effect of my illness, adding chemicals to my brain is hardly what to do to an already damaged enough brain.
 
Please remove references to other forum members unless they have given you permission to name them.

Losing the first girl you felt that you truly loved is always a hard time. You'll just have to trust me when I tell you that you'll meet others in time.
I have sometimes wondered what would have happened had I met certain other women either earlier or later in my life. I don't think there is just one person for everyone out there, there are lots. It's a case of which one you settle down with first sometimes.

You just have to give it time, before long the relationship issues will all be water under the bridge, of course you'll still think of her from time to time, but maybe just with fondness rather than a sense of loss.

Kudos to you for fighting that illness, you've clearly got determination and drive so slap yourself round the face and get on with your life. You've dealt with tougher things than losing a girlfriend before - that is something most of us if not all of us have or will have to deal with in our lives. She'll be the one that got away, she'll probably not be the only one that got away either.

I want to tell you to stop feeling sorry for yourself but you've been through some right hard times. What can I say? It DOES get better, I assure you.
A month from now it won't hurt as much as it does today. A year from now it'll be a fond memory. 20 years from now it'll raise a little inward smile. You'll probably still have a "what if" moment, but you'll look at your wife and kids and think "then I'd never have had this".
 
VIRII said:
I want to tell you to stop feeling sorry for yourself but you've been through some right hard times. What can I say? It DOES get better, I assure you.
A month from now it won't hurt as much as it does today. A year from now it'll be a fond memory. 20 years from now it'll raise a little inward smile. You'll probably still have a "what if" moment, but you'll look at your wife and kids and think "then I'd never have had this".
^^ what he said.

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