My first relationship thread, consisting of multiple OCUKers.

Status
Not open for further replies.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17583637&page=2&pp=30

Post 43 onward...

Sounds like a guilt trip. One thing you need to realise Seph is that you cannot control another person.

Sepheph in linked thread said:
Well I believe I have never quite cried so much then... Kinda uncontrollable, its just what a broken heart does to you! I dont want to get into the whole story of the break up here... If I did I dont think you would be to impressed, so lets leave it at that...

Given that quote i think it is quite clear what Seph is aiming for with this thread...

Seph, get out - meet new people... you are one of the very few people who have been lucky/misfortunate enough to confornt their own mortality, so you need to seize the oportunity you have to make a life for yourself.

You went through this condition at a very early age, and while it is unpleasant absolutely NOTHING has been stopped for you - there are people who get terrible afflictions in their 30s and 40s and end up missing out much of their potential when they should have been developing their life - but in comparison you haven't started yet...

I'd say get out there and get Weird... ;)
 
Last edited:
Wow, thats quite a story and one hell of a ride you've been on.

Your first love (I assume she is your first love) is always the hardest to lose, no matter which one ends it.

In my experience younger women tend to move on fairly quickly. I think its thier way of trying to get on with thier youth.

I've been through 2 pretty messy break up's (although not as bad as you) and I think i'm heading toward my third. Its probably already been said, and you of all people will understand that any kind of healing takes time more than anything else.

Fortunatly time is what we all have plenty of (we hope). I doubt anyone can tell you how to heal and move on, as only you can know and discover that. Only you will know when your 'healed', if you ever can be. I would like to think that we all take and keep something form every experience good and bad. Just dont let what you take from this be an inabilaty to give yourself.

We all have been through pain in our lives, and unfortunatly we will go through more. The worst thing you can do is defend yourself against future pain. Dont build emotional walls, let the next person in, because there will be a next person and they deserve all of you, not just the you that you want them to see or that your willing to give up to be hurt. At your [our] age there is a good chance that you [we] will get hurt again. Thats life, its the rollercoaster ride you take. You take all the ups and downs and loop the loops and they hurt sometimes. They're scary and you want to shut your eyes. But dont, because at the end of it, on that last little bit just before the end, when you reflect on the ride you've just been on. You look back and think, wow, I'm really glad I did that with my eyes open.
 
TheMagicPirate said:
Thats life, its the rollercoaster ride you take. You take all the ups and downs and loop the loops and they hurt sometimes. They're scary and you want to shut your eyes. But dont, because at the end of it, on that last little bit just before the end, when you reflect on the ride you've just been on. You look back and think, wow, I'm really glad I did that with my eyes open.

What a great observation, as one who is a third of the way through the ride I agree wholeheartedly.

MB
 
Thought I'd try to make a contribution of some sort. I didn't read all of it, but I'll give it a shot.

You said you failed college because of a girl, or seeing a girl. I understand how people can get almost obcessive about such things, but in the grand scale of things that is a very 'noob' thing to do. I know, I've let feelings get in the way of what really matters before as well. I think everyone does this once, learning the hard way.

My own advice to such situations (even though I fail to take it sometimes) is the 'eggs and baskets advice'.

If you put all your eggs (Hopes, dreams, everything that matters) in just one basket (A girl) and you drop it, you are in big trouble. You have lost everything.

However, if you put all your eggs in different baskets (A girl, family, friends, a hobby) and you drop one, then thats ok because you can still remmember everything else you have and how lucky you are to enjoy these aspects. Losing a girl suddenly doesn't become so painful (I say this ... well... I might be making my own relationship thread soon... nooo! :p )

As I said I havn't read everything, but I've always considered the above sound advice.
 
Last edited:
Well m8, that's a sad story indeed, but I do feel a few things after reading it and I'm sure you would like to know as thats the whole point right.

First off, the illness you have injured I can't possibly comment on, I can only struggle to imagine what it's been like for you and I wish you all the best, my heart goes out to you. I do feel on the relationship side that this is just life, everyone goes through it @ some point, ok nearly everyone, but it sounds all very normal to me and take it as a bit of a plus cause I feel you cherish normality and thats what you have there, It may take some time to get over it, but the old cliche "time heals all" well if it don't it certainly makes things easier, but the last thing I want to say and it's not an insult, but after all the words you've typed and the explanations you've given I can't deny that I see a hint of a typical rejection/revenge post there. As said previously the illness and the relationship is a seperate issue for ya not that they won't collide, but congratulations to you cause I think you are very much on the way to leading a normal life. :)
 
i never stopped her doing anything i just expressed my opinion on certain matters. as for the quote in the said linked thread, situation was slightly different. i could have said things in a different light and made them sound worse. i chose not to do or be like that! the fact i admit i was not the best boyfriend in the world goes to show i have tried to be honest. my faults have changed now. i am more open and a better person! i just wanted to vent really
 
I wasnt going to post on this thread, so I am not going to argue against points that I disagree with, I am just going to say that I dont mind him posting to let out how he feels, because he has the same right as we all do.
He told me last night he was going to post, and I said you do what you want I cant stop you, although I didnt get to read the thread before it was posted which would have been nicer.
There are a few details that are abit wrong, but mostly are correct. Some issues raised are a little personal and i feel a bit violated but i guess i owe it to chris to let his feeings out and get some advice because all you guys are great at giving it and have helped each other out through hard times :)
 
holly35 said:
I wasnt going to post on this thread, so I am not going to argue against points that I disagree with, I am just going to say that I dont mind him posting to let out how he feels, because he has the same right as we all do.
He told me last night he was going to post, and I said you do what you want I cant stop you, although I didnt get to read the thread before it was posted which would have been nicer.
There are a few details that are abit wrong, but mostly are correct. Some issues raised are a little personal and i feel a bit violated but i guess i owe it to chris to let his feeings out and get some advice because all you guys are great at giving it and have helped each other out through hard times :)

yeah feel sorry for OP condition, but it's wrong of him to dictate what you do after a break-up, and expect you to get back again. You could smear mustard all over me :p and nothing to do with your previous boyfriend.

Although if you cheated....you deserve a spanking. :p
 
squiffy said:
yeah feel sorry for OP condition, but it's wrong of him to dictate what you do after a break-up, and expect you to get back again. You could smear mustard all over me :p and nothing to do with your previous boyfriend.

Although if you cheated....you deserve a spanking. :p

Thanks for the cookie, sepheh can have one to for writing the longest post ever!

Nope i never cheated on him, that all happened after we had broken up and it was with a friend, not at a party, and i guess it was a way to try and get over him, possibly not the best way but i learn from my mistakes and dont regret it.
 
VIRII said:
Give me one too then because when she mentioned being violated I refrained from a smutty witticism :p

Talking of violated, I phoned o2 and they say they dont pre-order that phone (more like new customers only) but I did negotiate a decrease in line rental
 
cleanbluesky said:
Talking of violated, I phoned o2 and they say they dont pre-order that phone (more like new customers only) but I did negotiate a decrease in line rental

Ask O2 for your PAC code then and get it on T-Mob or Voda and watch how quickly they'll pre-order. The website specifically says it's a pre-order.

Where's my cookie? Wow that's off topic, where were we? Violating Holly35. :D
 
I did in fact read it all last night but decided to go to bed before replying :p

I think part of the reason you feel stuck in limbo not being able to completely grasp what went wrong was because you were out in Aus for so long, although you obviously kept busy (read your other thread :) ) you will have undoubtedly had more time on your own to dwell on issues that were bothering you from before, and during your time in Aus. Even if from my understanding the aspect of being on your own to see how you'd come was the main aim of venturing out there, I think the knife cut both ways and also made things harder.

As others have already mentioned it's the old cliché thing that it does actually get better in time. I think socialising with as many people as possible and trying to get things back to normal passively (just be yourself) will definately help. When you get back into the swing of things you'll begin to find it easier. Chin up.
 
Touching read mate, although i do feel you are feeling a bit sorry for yourself. At such a young age very very few clingy relationships actually ever work. You say she helped you to recover more than she ever knew, but in a way, you used her to recover and because of that it led you to love her more than she could love you. She may have felt it harder to be completely honest with you because of this, and dissaproving of her going out with her mates couldnt have helped. The latter for me represented the begining of the downfall. Clingyness is never an attractive quality.

I laughed when you mentioned Epsom general though. One time i broke my thumb, they decided i had dislocated it and tried to relocate a fractured thumb and...you can imagine. Then the year after that i dislocated my knee cap (for real this time) and the doctor was trying to bend my knee past ~ 35 degrees, which it wasnt doing, completely convinced i was just forcing against him and lieing. Cue a damn expensive (had to go private or wait a year...) mri scan/arthoroscopy operation on my knee to drain fluid and repair the damage.

Oh, and woohoo epsom weatherspoons!
 
Last edited:
Look at it this way, you met an amazing girl and had an amazing relationship for several years, it didn't work out in the end for whatever reason but you still had that experience. You met her at an extreme low and she still wanted you, which tells me that there is someone else out there who will do too, even in your depressed state.

Give the guy a break for posting it though, I don't think he did it for revenge or to make her know how hurt he is, sometimes you just want to type everything out because putting it down makes it easier and knowing that other people will read it makes you feel so much better. Sometimes we need to be selfish for our own good, perhaps the fact he posted it shows he may be able to get past her because it draws a line under their relationship?
 
holly35 said:
Thanks for the cookie, sepheh can have one to for writing the longest post ever!

Nope i never cheated on him, that all happened after we had broken up and it was with a friend, not at a party, and i guess it was a way to try and get over him, possibly not the best way but i learn from my mistakes and dont regret it.

Damn dude, some of those words really will haunt Sepheh.
Still, been meaning to chat to you on msn recently, you keep signing in and looking interesting.


Now, on to the OP.

Damn dude, those (illness times) really are some hard times. I have a lot of respect for you bro, you really did stare death in the face in one way or another.
As for you and Holly, I too have felt the sharp end of the stick. And i really don't know what to say, 2 years on and it still smashes me from time to time. I was a bit of a wreck and to some degree opressive, and the timing was quite wrong. But again this is the nature of the beast. From what i can gather the first love always comes 5+ years too early (that is to say that we need to experiment and live a little before these things can truly work on a prolonged basis).
Unfortunately none of that means anything to you right now. If i'm totally honest and i try to give you advise which to the best of my 23 years of knowledge is true i would have to say that as far as Holly is concerned you simply have to move on. You have no other option. From what you have written there simply is no relationship, there cannot be a friendship due to your continued feelings, and this is the very very end. Firstly you have to totally accept that. You don't have to like it, but you have to accept it.
From there you have to start living again. Do whatever comes along, and try to help those things to come along in the first place.
Dude you have practically been given a second crack of the whip, and i know the hurt caused by the breakup of your relationship runs deep, but you have to embrace the chance that you've been given. Do something!.
 
This post is just to say that i've finally read all of this thread and understand as much as I can. I've had siilar experineces and I hope that I can put some useful feedback in.

I also applaude Holly35's maturity in her posts in this thread as CBS has said. It may not be appropriate but it'd be interesting to see both sides of the story.

I'll write a decent replay as soon as it's finished but it could be a similar length to the OP :eek:

Burnsy
 
Well 1st of all, well done for writing all of that down. It could not have been easy!

I cannot fully understand the issues you have had to deal with, knowing little about the illness has prompted me to read up a bit more on this and I will.

What I can say, you need a clean break away from everything, including Holly. Losing a part of what has helped define the last 2 years of your life is a blow and will affect you in the short term. In the long term, it will be a distant memory that will raise a smile when thought about.

As hard as it may be, have you thought about moving away from the area you are in? I can appreicate leaving the people you know would be hard but it is something a close friend did a couple of years ago and he hasn't looked back since.

You are still only beginning your life, with your whole future ahead of you and you will meet some amazing people throughout your life, some will hurt you and some will stay around forever!

Remember one thing, what hasn't killed you makes you stronger!
 
I just want to make a brief apology to anything that Holly may have felt violated by from what I said, but anything said in the thread is nothing that is not general knowledge to my friends anyway (well to do with the relationship). The comment about violation if that is true I do apologise, but i struggle to understand that issue when our sex life and more has been openly discussed in front of people before. However thats not to say that it is right for me to have not consulted you before posting. I do feel though that the parts that may make Holly feel violated is actually a fairly small part of the whole situation. Everything really stems back from 5 years ago. Holly wasnt there to help me get better, just our relationship gave me something I couldnt have got from anyone else. I gained a lot of confidence through her, and learnt that I could love again. I do apologise about the details of the person Holly was with, my memory is obviously not great anyway and I tried to get it as accurate as possible. Wether that changes the situation at all is a completely different matter. As for Holly I would appreciate you emailing me the details I may have got wrong, though I dont think it changes pretty much any of the whole situation.

Thanks for everyones input, not sure about some of the feedback, as it has kind of missed the point on some places. Someone mentioned about putting all my eggs into one basket, I didnt do that as such. Just my most valuable eggs were stored with Holly. Those who know me will know I am a very caring person and value people higher than anything else. Holly I valued more than I could have ever expressed to her, and more than I perhaps even did express to her. Which is a shame and something I can not change now.

Someone also quoted me from a previous thread, the comment was taken out of context there really. It was Holly correcting me on saying I had cried more recently than I had said, which was a pretty irrelevant comment as it made no difference to the way I was feeling. I at the time if I were to have posted the thread would have left out any part of the story that made me appear bad (because i wasnt a great boyfriend all the time), and would have put things in black and white and could have made Holly sound nasty. The fact is she was not, she dealt with things her own way, which unfortunately is not the way i would have dealt with them.

I was accused of trying to control Holly, although it may seem like that, it was never my intention subconciously or conciously. To me it was just a few things that I had personal problems with that she did, I made them clear, because why have a relationship with out discussions of problems. Holly decided that she no longer wanted to do some of these things, and some times decided that she didnt want to tell me. She didnt want to tell me fair enough in fear that i would react badly... Which I would, but only because I have severe trouble controlling my emotions at points. It is something I really regret, and each time I reflect on these situations they really hurt. This is not to say that either of us were correct in our actions. In certain situations things were more my fault, and my reactions were worse. But in other situations I believe that perhap I reacted better.

This whole thread is not to make Holly look bad, because I dont think she is at all. We are different people now, that is a fact I am currently dealing with. Holly is an amazing person, and I will sing her praises til the cows come home. However I just wanted to get all the facts and details down into this thread to best try to explain who I am and why I feel the way I do. With out all of these details I do honestly believe that this would just appear to be another crying emo girlfriend thread. I am not saying its not, but surely there are parts of this all that make the situation slightly more unique.

People perhaps consider posting on this forum a bad idea because we both use it. I chose this forum because it gives Holly a chance to correct any facts, also because I use this forum more than any other forum. I have friends on this forum who can read it and understand more from the situation than they already do, just because there are certain things I know they would not take into consideration normally.

Finally there was a post about failing college because of a girl. It was not just Holly why I failed college, it was because of my more depressed state and I was staying up late and not sleeping properly. I started off missing the odd lecture to get out early and catch the earlier train for her.

Just to say to Holly again, if you could let me know any incorrect facts I will change them in my original post because I have no intention of having this thread full of false information.

EDIT: One last message to Cleanbluesky. I dont have any intentions of turning this forum into some type of cheap shot at someone I cared for. A few of the points you have raised have been interesting, but your general approach to this all I find shocking. I am not here to make someone look bad, I am simply trying to be as honest as I can to get some good advice. If you want me to write the message I was going to have written when I wrote that thread I will be more than happy to oblige but factually it will be off, and also it will make me seem like a victim and holly seem horrible. That I do not want to do!
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom