My mate says I am polluting

Efour said:
You ranting about it all being inconvenient and finding it easier to drive Futher to make life easier doesn't stop you from making more pollution, which your friend is 100% correct, and what you asked. Simple fact.

Justifying that pollution is upto you.
Maybe talk to your local council and say you're unhappy with their traffic routing choices. I'm sure all the local shop owners would agree.

Get the bus. You live in London. It'll be cheaper than petrol.

Pretend your car is off the road for a week. How do you survive?

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Im playing devils advocate incase anyone cares.
It would be boring with 30 pages of "your friends a nob" answers.
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London transport; crappy, nasty and expensive transport services.
 
Is your friend a hypocrite? Does he have any hobbies that use a lot of energy? A massive amount of kids? etc

If you dont like him that much, you could always try and find something to throw back in his face.
 
Efour said:
Expensive maybe but crappy it is not. Anyway thats just another you problem and a choice you make to "pollute more"
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Not sure if its any better than Birmingham, but round here's there's a 13% chance of the train not bothering to turn up (based the number of compensation claims I've submitted over the past few months) and the bus takes an hour each way, which makes "popping into town" after work unfeasible if you want to get the kids to bed at a reasonable time.
 
We have one shop and that's just basics (but also a post office on the plus side) so i shop when i am passing a supermarket, on the way to work (i keep a cool box in the car) or the way back or on the way to Polzeath (in Wadebridge)
 
Haggisman said:
Not sure if its any better than Birmingham, but round here's there's a 13% chance of the train not bothering to turn up (based the number of compensation claims I've submitted over the past few months) and the bus takes an hour each way, which makes "popping into town" after work unfeasible if you want to get the kids to bed at a reasonable time.
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Yeah it sucks outside of London, although i have very little experience other than living in Oxford for 5 years, i can imagine its a great deal worse.

In Romford where my old dear still lives you can get a train to central London every 10 minutes or less and i can get into the Romford shopping area on one of 3 busses with a max wait time of 7 minutes...

I Think that is bloody good tbh.

Yes the prices could do with being cheaper, for a capital city comparison its way down the list for value. But its the London tax.... i guess in part
 
I found London’s public transport was pretty apart from when the RMT were being the RMT.

There’s no way you could do a family’s weekly shop and transport it home on bus or tube unless all 4 of you were carrying in rucksacks.
 
Mrwong said:
During our conversation, I told him I no longer shop in London, this includes food shopping. I told him I drive 7 or 8 miles away from west London to food shops etc. He asks why? told him the constant amount of driving restrictions linked to fines, I no longer want to support businesses in my area or adjacent. He said that I am creating extra pollution, I find it much cheaper to drive away from my local area.


Your thoughts?
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What type of vehicle do you drive and by travelling a further distance, do you get a chance for the engine to perform at it's best...And hang on I'm getting there....which might be less polluting than a vehicle stop starting and crawling through traffic and....
 
Well obviously he's right, it is polluting to drive further (exactly how polluting it is depending on what kind of car you drive). Doesn't necessarily mean you're unjustified though.

It is a fact that for basically everyone who doesn't live right next to the shops, driving and parking restrictions will make life more difficult for people trying to get there.
 
Nah, you're fine. You're doing exactly what the road policy aimed for - you've been discouraged from driving in a certain area so now go elsewhere.
Public transport isn't an alternative to driving lol
 
Isn’t the whole point of living in London to have everything in your doorstep? If you insist on doing a big food shop once a week (rather than a delivery) then yes I guess you’d need a car. But other “shopping” like what? :confused:

I see people drive to Westfield and pay god-knows-what for parking and it’s just nuts. Just get the tube like everyone else, you cant be buying that much tat that you can’t carry home :confused:
 
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You're probably both correct - it probably is cheaper to drive miles away, it probably does pollute more to do so, in general terms. It might pollute less in the particular area the fines are aiming to improve air quality.
 
I'm not sure what the question is? Does driving an extra 7 to 8 miles create extra pollution? I think the answer is obvious myself, but I understand not everyone will. The answer is yes.

If the question is should you be doing it? My take on it, is HELL YEAH!! The more pollution the better.

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