Myleene Klass + 2yo daughter confronted by intruders; warned by police

[Von Smallhausen]

Apparently yes:

"Officers who arrived at her house in Potters Bar, Hertfordshire, on Friday warned her that it was illegal to carry an 'offensive weapon' even at home."

Then some cop at Potter's Bar needs to go back to training school.

There is no offence of carrying an offensive weapon in your own home.

You may possibly have a public order offence but Ms Klass cannot commit the offence of carrying an offensive weapon in her own home.

 

[andi]

Wow, you're just a bastion of intelligence aren't you?

Thanks. Any particular reasoning behind this staggering piece of sheer genius comment, or just a brain fart?

 

[fini]

If laws were passed where illegal immigrants were dragged from their beds at dawn...I can't see the Mail being too concerned about

Agreed

that but you as a lawyer and I as a police officer know the serious flaws and issues with such a viewpoint.

Agreed

I have said before that the police service is not the perfect organisation and lack of common sense of law and policy makers leaves a lot to be desired and will have the knock on effect.

Agreed

Then some cop at Potter's Bar needs to go back to training school.

There is no offence of carrying an offensive weapon in your own home.

Agreed (despite already having been told once in this thread that I 'don't know the law' for holding this view point )

Isn't it nice when everyone can agree?

 

[andi]

J.C. De Menezes would probably beg to differ.

Well, no, as the officers involved believed their lives and the lives of those around them were in imminent danger, pretty much exactly as I said.

 

[TurbotH]

i want to touch her (with her consent)

 

[rypt]

Safety Cameras (fixed type) are run, primarily, by the local council and not the police.

Safety cameras are run by the SCP (Safety Camera Partnerships).
Both the the ACPO (and the local constabulary) and the council form a part of the SCP, so the police have a direct hand in the operation of speed cameras.

 

[rypt]

Yes of course, I'm a liberal '********' because I value human life over inanimate objects

Why do they deserve to have their life valued when they were happy to break in, knowing the possible consequences?

 

[Vesta_Man]

Why do they deserve to have their life valued when they were happy to break in, knowing the possible consequences?

Because not everyone is lucky enough to have a decent loving and well adjusted upbringing like us more fortunate people had!
Not to mention that lots of burglars are sick drug addicts that are looking for their next fix!! but hey I guess they deserve to die for being weak scummy scag heads
It's pretty ironic really as the people who think 'scum' deserve to die for merely breaking into their house have mentality/logic not too different to the criminals they so violently hate!!

 

[MajorMaccas]

There's calls for a change in the law about defending your home, so this is my proposition:

In your own home, anything goes; ANYTHING.

Knowing that residents can do whatever the hell they want with you with no legal comeback or personal injury claim might just put some would-be burglars off the idea.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Agreed (despite already having been told once in this thread that I 'don't know the law' for holding this view point

Section 1 of the 1953 Prevention of Crime Act makes the possession of an offensive weapon in a public place an offence.

It states that any person who without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, the proof of which shall lie on him, has with him in any public place any offensive weapon shall be guilty of an offence.

Section 139 of the Criminal Justic Act 1988 also caters for bladed or pointed articles being carried but again this is only arrestable when in a public place.

Myleene Klass can't commit the offence of possessing an offensive weapon when she is in her own home and not in a public place.

The above isn't for your benefit fini.

Isn't it nice when everyone can agree?

The world would be a better place wouldn't it.

 

[Vesta_Man]

Knowing that residents can do whatever the hell they want with you with no legal comeback or personal injury claim might just put some would-be burglars off the idea.

Statistics and research into this says otherwise!
Which is pretty obvious if you actually understand the types of people who actually commit home invasion / burglary.

 

[ElvisFan]

It's pretty ironic really as the people who think 'scum' deserve to die for merely breaking into their house have mentality/logic not too different to the criminals they so violently hate!!

I'd stop there, pal.

 

[Vesta_Man]

I'd stop there, pal.

What's a matter ?
A bit close to the bone!

 

[ElvisFan]

No you're talking crap.

 

[Cybermyk]

It's pretty ironic really as the people who think 'scum' deserve to die for merely breaking into their house have mentality/logic not too different to the criminals they so violently hate!!

Wrong

If I hated someone I would want them to die slowly and in the extremes of agony. If they were a potential threat to me or my loved ones I would want things to end really quickly and by whatever means. It really isn't the same thing.

 

[Angilion]

Does anyone know if any aspect of this story is true?

There's so much drivel about this issue in the media, most of which is fiction portrayed as fact.

Someone should tell her she can stop being aghast at something she made up and which isn't real.

 

[Angilion]

The right to seek protection from prosecution to protect yourself and your property using reasonable force clearly is the way to go here-but I am not sure how that wwould work with unintended consequences.

We have that right already. We've had it for all of recorded history, actually.

People are conditioned to think otherwise, maybe to keep them scared and thus easier to manipulate, maybe just to sell papers on the back of outrage from people who believe any old crap that's printed and never check anything.

 

[Vonhelmet]

There's calls for a change in the law about defending your home, so this is my proposition:

In your own home, anything goes; ANYTHING.

Knowing that residents can do whatever the hell they want with you with no legal comeback or personal injury claim might just put some would-be burglars off the idea.

And what's to stop you inviting people over and then killing them and getting off scot free?

 

[wordy]

Myleene Klass annoys the crap outta me.

 

[scorza]

And what's to stop you inviting people over and then killing them and getting off scot free?

I would rather many guilty men go free, than one innocent man go to jail.

Besides, it's not really a likely scenario is it? When it comes down to it, most people don't have what it takes to kill someone in cold blood like that.