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I'm hoping Hunt is brave and announces tax cuts that will benefit those that really need it. In particular the removal of inheritance tax and another stamp duty holiday to give house prices a boost. That will be worth closing down a few hospitals.
upon reading the first sentence, I can take that, although a naive statement.

upon reading the second sentence.... is this sattire.

upon reading the third sentence... phew.
 
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The whole world is built on infinite growth....just think of all the poor people if you doubt we can achieve it (at least for the foreseeable). Entire countries are barely online yet.
But the "easy" way to get that growth is currently just to try to grow your population. Which is obviously not sustainable.

If it was easy to achieve infinite growth any other way I suggest we wouldn't be so dependent on population growth?
 
I also don't think anyone believes the government.

It does seem like those who favour a big state would rather no tax cuts and actual action on public services

Imagine if they worked? How much tax would you pay for an excellent nhs where you didn't need health insurance?
Where water companies were run not for profit but still invested in?

Id happily pay much more... If it got results.
 
Id happily pay much more... If it got results.

Me too... Problem is money is spent really badly.. Everything is more expensive for less actual service. Central government cuts police and strangles councils etc, yet the bills keep rising.
A few people are making huge profits on the back of this, but it's not your average person.
 
The Conservatives have systematically destroyed public services (including the police and armed forces) over the past 13 years, just haven't had the guts to tell us they have done it deliberately.
We need to increase spending on critical services, increase investment, decrease the National Debt, and even if we can't do that now the very last thing we should be doing is cutting taxes.
It is an absolute scandal.
 
Markets are wary of Hunt revving inflation and they know is short-termism policy making with little thought on long term growth.

Hell even the guy is giving £100k of his own money to the local constituency so he can better his chance at keeping his seat. Lib-dems are fighting him for the seat he could well lose. For context he gave less than £5k during May’s term. It’s almost like the return of purchase.
 
Right, and I’m pretty sure themselves said they cannot guarantee cuts will remain going into 2025 (assuming they’re re-elected), if they’re ‘unaffordable’, which is really code for “election is over, we’ve got another 4 years left and you suckers can’t do **** about it.

Of course these cuts, giveaways, call them what you will remain for the term, absolutely zero chance of that. Election bait and switch. ANY party offering tax cuts for anyone but the most poor and people in need should be ashamed at this point.
 
Right, and I’m pretty sure themselves said they cannot guarantee cuts will remain going into 2025 (assuming they’re re-elected), if they’re ‘unaffordable’, which is really code for “election is over, we’ve got another 4 years left and you suckers can’t do **** about it.

Of course these cuts, giveaways, call them what you will remain for the term, absolutely zero chance of that. Election bait and switch. ANY party offering tax cuts for anyone but the most poor and people in need should be ashamed at this point.

They are just hoping that they capture the votes of the people who don't pay much attention but notice their take-home has gone up!!
 
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Health service, social care, public transport, roads, education, benefits safety net, essential utilities (water, electric, gas).

I don't know what the answer will be for social care. But social care costs have been spiraling for decades, it'll eventually get to a point where the cost of providing social care will be unaffordable without massive tax increases to both individuals and corporations.

I assume as more children and adults need some form of social care, which then equates to more staff required. It's always been known as a sector for poor pay so l assume they're also having to increase pay to attract people into social care.
 
But really, what's stopping us from funding public services properly with the economy as it stands, today? Inflation aside.

Government debt repayments, government bad choices on what it's spending it's money on, corruption, flat out fraud, bad management. That's just this government. The problems go backmore than a decade.

Is the only way to maintain our public services to have infinite economic growth? That seems like a hard sell, to me. There must be a better way.

We have a higher population right now than ever before but also the highest amount of tax being collected by the government ever. At the same time we have a hilarous government debt level and it's only now just starting to become possible to borrow again at acceptable levels, after what Truss did. Local councils are stuck with ridiculous loans they had to take out (to continue operating) at stupid interest rates.

UK's productivity is still shocking. If it was much higher you'd see more money being produced and more taxes being paid.
Top businesses in the UK pay silly low amounts of tax. That's not an easy fix in this globalised world but it needs sorting out.

UK long term sick numbers are huge - 2.6 million (because in part of NHS waiting lists and the hang over from covid).
Young persons signed off work for mental health reasons seem to be ever increasing.

Look at many Nordic countries (highest quality of life, highest tax levels, fully working public services). They are still highly capitalist economies but they have made decisions that means their countries (generally) work for more people.
You need a fairer society but most of all you need a competent government making good decisions. We haven't had that for a long, long time.

So yes the country can work again, public services can be funded properly with the current economic levels we have. Growth is desired / needed by pure capitalism .. but it's the best system we have, despite not being perfect. Additional growth ignoring the above fixes, means you'll of course naturally have even more money to fund things if you decide to. Considering we don't live in some kind of Star Trek utopia, a more Social Democratic kind of government is the best option IMO.
 
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The Conservatives have systematically destroyed public services (including the police and armed forces) over the past 13 years, just haven't had the guts to tell us they have done it deliberately.
We need to increase spending on critical services, increase investment, decrease the National Debt, and even if we can't do that now the very last thing we should be doing is cutting taxes.
It is an absolute scandal.
They gave record investment to NHS but that has not made s difference. Cannot just blame governments for poor use of money provided.
 
They gave record investment to NHS but that has not made s difference. Cannot just blame governments for poor use of money provided.
But that doesn't take in to account how many times patients need help and how much help they need, and I think that has risen far more than the government funding.

I might add that I do blame the public for that as well, and we need some fundamental shift in thinking to address that. People are just going to the doctors too often.
I sat in an AE the other day, watching people come in, and the vast majority of them came in for stuff they should have just stayed at home for and waited for it to get better by itself. Or waited a few days and gone to the local doctor. But these days, even when Johnny scrapes his knee, its AE. People are overusing the system and they need to stop.
 
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