NEARLY 2 YEARS WAITING: New Mustang GT PP is finally mine!

Hi there


So the Mondeo, what is it like, the specification:

Mondeo Titanium Diesel 2.0l
150 or 180, not sure, but it is slow.
AWD, yes an all wheel drive Mondeo
Seems well spec, nav, sync, lane guidance, auto parking, heated windows, blinds, huge glass roof, full leather, memory seats, I mirrored the spec on Fords configuration website utility and it came to £30,000, thats a lot for a Mondeo with a woefully underpowered engine.

Anyway, cabin wise, huge amounts of room, you can transport 4 people very easily in this car in absolute comfort, its got heated seats, electric power windows all round, keyless entry, auto parking (not tried it) and the boot is absolutely huge, you can seriously kill an entire family and get them in the boot of this thing. It also has all rear blacked out windows, I feel like a pimp lord driving this thing around. :D
But yes it even beats my old S-Type Jaguar for comfort, it is super comfy and take all road surfaces with ease, it handles a lot better than the S-Type but has nowhere near the power it had as that was a 3.0 V6 with 240BHP and probably weighed less.

Engine and gearing wise, the engine just feels underpowered which at 150 or 180PS for a car of this size is no surprise, I can imagine with the AWD and all the technology in this car and the size of it that it must be weighing in around 2 tonnes. The gear and engine tuning seems not great, 4th at 30mph zero happens because its at 1000rpm, you need 3rd for sub 30mph speeds to have power on tap otherwise the car literally does nothing and if you get caught out it takes ages to get upto 1500rpm where the turbo spools, at which point the car accelerates with no real sense of acceleration due to the size and weight but it is moving and then by 3500-4000rpm it is all over, worlds shortest powerband ever. So it could certainly do with a 200+ horsepower diesel engine to really make use of the 4WD system and move a car of this weight along.

Steering and handling, well steering is completely numb but weighting is OK, low speed handling and agility for a car of this size is surprisingly good, you can just exit a junction with absolute full power in wet or dry with zero wheel spin and it just goes. Roundabouts and tight corners are quite fun because of the 4WD drive system you can just drive it like an idiot and it goes where you point it, in the dry. Try the same in the wet and it will just understeer, that will be the weight. Higher speed corners it is not so great at, the lean is more than a boat in rough seas .

But I doubt anyone buys this kind of car to try and set lap times in, as a car to commute in it is very comfy, great traction and for most people it goes fine and it can carry 4 adults in comfort, even 5, the entire family could do their shopping and get it all in the boot.

As its heavy, AWD the mpg does not seem great, average seems to be 30-35mpg, I am sure this is a great economic engine in a lighter car, but in this big heavy brute and with AWD the mpg just gets zapped.

I think its a good car, its a nice place to be and its nice to drive, but would I pay 30k for one brand new, hell no it seems a huge amount of money to pay for a Mondeo that does 0-60 in like 10s and has a pretty pointless AWD system with a manual box that does not suite the engine.

If they offered this car with a more sporty setup with diesel and petrol engines with 250-300BHP along with decent AUTO I could see it being great, but then we'd be talking 40k for a Mondeo. So expensive, I imagine these probably depreciate like lead weights at which point they become good value buys.

Like I say nice car, but I'd not buy one. :)

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Those who know me will know I love all things cars and thoroughly enjoy getting to try new cars especially when I have got them for several days to properly learn their abilities and what they are like to live with.

Any questions feel free to ask and I shall try to answer. :)


P.S. Just like the Mustang the sodding cup holds are in the way of the gear stick, so when you have drinks in them changing gear is uncomfortable and not so easy. Ford put the sodding cup holds before the gear stick, or in the door cards, not where your sodding arm rest.
 
Or just get an Auto, then it's not a problem. Granted that's not necessarily a solution for the Mustang, but in the Mondeo (especially one of that spec) it should be an auto/dual-clutch semi.

On another note, does anyone know if the Mondeo AWD system is a full-time mechanical dealy, or if it's a haldex style coupling?

It is intelligent AWD. ;)
So its haldex type, as in higher gears it sends power only forwards until you throw it into a corner. :D

Yes a manual is really out of place in this car, needs to be an auto and it also needs more power. :)
 
Well at lest You should have Mustang back on road this week ye ?? Wheel respray looks good. When are new rims ready ??

I think more likely next week, Ford UK rang today, part is sourced, being packaged and shipped from US by air, I expect it to arrive with my dealership sometime next week, then give them a few days to actually do all the warranty work I want doing:

- Oil cooler
- Coolant flush
- Oil change (pushing them to include as part of warranty due to taking a month to repair car)
- Paint defects, minor but they pointed them out so they can fix.
- Scratched drivers door glass they pointed out when collecting car.
- New drivers side puddle lamp


As I have no intentions on leaving car with them again, they need to repair everything at once as all the other jobs are very minor and little, rather it all done at once.

New wheels scheduled to leave US on 18th August, will take around two weeks to arrive so due end of the month. So yes buying new MPSS and re-spraying current wheels was essentialy a grand thrown away as those Michelins have seen one mile so far and at this rate by the time I get the car back my new wheels will be ready to go on.
 
Did you see what happened to the bloke with the GT350 in America who had an oil cooler failure on track Gibbo? Somewhat fiery...! Can't link it as theres a sweary but the articles on jalopnik...


Thought I'd upload the photos of the GT 350 that had the same failure as myself, only difference was the guy was on track, 100mph+ and the oil cooler let go / leaking, oil onto catalyst, burst into flames, brake fluid boils resulting in no braking ability at 100mph. Guy pulls the wand gently, cable snaps, so with engine off he does all that is left, clutch in, 1st gear, clutch out. Stops a few feet from the wall and marshals who then quickly hurry him out the car and put it out.

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No one was hurt, just the guy in the BMW wondered why a fireball was overtaking him lol.
Ford did the right thing, took the burnt GT 350 back and upgraded him free to a brand new GT 350R.

Still sounds extreme but due to how quick oil was leaving my car if it had not being a soaking wet day and the fact I was driving slowly, the outcome could have being similar if it was a hot sunny day and I was enjoying the cars performance. :eek:


P.S. Maybe Ford had Turbotoaster on their team when it came to oil cooler design? ;)
 
Isn't it worth holding out for a possible GT350 UK release instead of ordering a new GT with the auto box?


I can't place the order until mid-late next year anyway as the option is not yet available even on USA Mustangs, the rumour is it will come on MY18 cars and also a potential power increase as to 472BHP.

So of course if a GT350 UK option does come available in that time frame then yes I shall change to that (but manual puts me off), also lets not forget the new GT500 which looks to be a V8 twin turbo with 650 plus horsepower and potentially AWD, if that also comes to UK I shall just order that as that should have DCT option too. I am happy to drop upto 75k on the car and I cannot see them being more than 60k to be honest.
 
It's the same mule as spotted before with a 350 wing. It is supposedly the GT500 although you can't hear any induction noise but he doesn't exactly stomp the pedal either.

GT500 rumoured to have a twin turbo 5.2 FPC V8 using most of the same internals as the 350.


If we get it I shall switch order to that, I do not care if its turbo charged, AWD and auto, it will still sound like a V8 Mustang and it will still wag its tail like a crazy puppy.

In a dream world it would be supercharged 5.2 FPC V8 creating 750BHP with 10-speed auto as an option. RWD or AWD are both fine for me, though that amount of power stock could probably benefit from AWD. :)

I've got a feeling it will be turbocharged though, which is good for efficiency, not so great for noise but even turbochargers cannot quieten the growl of a V8 muscle car. :)
 
Are you sure that it is a Dual Clutch? The new 10 speed box (which is shared by GM and Ford) has a torque converter. Calling it Hydramatic is a bit of a giveaway.

If that is what it is, then fine, its an absolutely stunning box from what press have said so far and certainly a vast improvement over the current 6 speed offering which is slow and un-responsive.
 
What a complete waste of time, buying a 2015/2016 Mustang, doing all this work to it and blowing all this money on it, only to sell it for (I assume overall) a massive loss, to buy another Mustang, which in some ways will probably need adjustments to match your old one...

Why not just keep wrenching on what you have? Honestly... :p

More money than sense some people... ;)


Got another 2 years in it yet, so wrenching will continue and still plenty of fun to be had! What loss, they are fetching over 35k second hand with no mods, if I removed the mods I could sell them all for what I paid or for a profit due to value of pound collapsing.

Most things I will simply remove for next one, those I do not I can try different things next time around. :)

By the time they take my deposit to put my order in system which is still at least a year away I might change my mind as I've also registered my interest with TVR for their new car, so if that is something special and affordable that I take a liking too I shall go with that instead.

I am just making sure my name is at the top of the queue for one. :)

If GT500 becomes available in RHD I shall just order that and sell mine with all the mods on it for 40k or whatever its worth at the time, don't really care if I lose money, thats part of new car ownership, but Mustangs are holding value extremely well anyway. :)
 
``also lets not forget the new GT500 which looks to be a V8 twin turbo with 650 plus horsepower and potentially AWD, if that also comes to UK I shall just order that as that should have DCT option too. I am happy to drop upto 75k on the car and I cannot see them being more than 60k to be honest.``

that's the one to go for ! forget this other one next year because you don't need it do you..


Of course it is the one I shall order, if they make it available don't really care what the specification is, for me the only absolute must are V8 and automatic. :)

But the chances of UK/EU getting it are slim, this is Ford, though I would love to be in a GT500 come 2018, the reality is any Shelby product in RHD probably won't happen until 2020 or later.

End of the day the regular Mustang is not so bad, afterall for under 40k you can now get a fully spec'd brand new Mustang with just shy of 500BHP, still the absolute bargain of the century:

http://www.thedrive.com/news/4785/w...-mustang-gt?xid=the-drive_socialflow_facebook
 
isn't your current a manual? how comes you're going for auto next?


I prefer an auto for day to day driving, think its an age thing, used to be a full on manual guy, but with age that 3rd pedal is now just more an annoyance.

If I buy Porsche now I'd go PDK with sports plus, if I buy a BMW it would be DCT and if I went Jaguar I'd want the ZF 8-speed.

The manual in the Mustang is good, but simple fact is modern auto's are simply better than manuals, for me anyway I just prefer them as long as when you select manual mode and use the paddles they are responsive and engaging which pretty much all of the modern auto's are these days. :)

If I do not stick with Ford next car will either be a TVR (could be manual), R8 s-tronic, F-type AWD V8 Auto, so yeah I've gone to the dark side and being converted. Also the other option would be a Porsche 991 C4S PDK. But the Mustang with 10-speed auto is favourite at moment for when I change cars in a couple of years.


I wonder if they'll ever make a diesel Mustang... I hope not... But they've already put a 4 cylinder petrol in one for the first time in a long time! :eek:


Don't be silly.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I don't want there to be a diesel Mustang, I think its a stupid idea. If you want a diesel Ford you buy a Mondeo, not a muscle car.


End of the day if they do it, then so be it, all I know is when one pulls alongside my true pony muscle car they will cower in shame.

Said it before, many ecoboost owners must cringe inside when a passer-by ask them to give it a rev as they sound well carp compared to a V8, now imagine how a diesel cough tractor would sound, lol. :D

I think they will bring hybrid before diesel to be honest.
 
I'd fully expect to see a full fat mustang running a supercharged V8 by the end of the year in RHD

Ford are caning production in Aus so no more Falcon :( for those not in the know looks like a Mondeo, comes with a honking great 5l V8 with a blower attached, 496bhp and RWD

surely the aussies will be a huge market for a RHD hot mustang. ergo if they are building them for the aussies no doubt we will see them too :)


There most definetely won't be as no such official car even exist in the USA. Fords official cars in USA are:
Mustang GT, 2.3 Turbo, V6 NA & V8 NA
Mustang GT 350 & 350R, 5.2 V8 NA

There is no official supercharged or turbocharged V8 in the Mustang yet, not even American and it takes at least 18 months after US model launch for it to appear in EU.

Supercharged Mustangs in US at moment are done by Ford dealerships or likes of Roush and are not official Ford products.

Of course I said it before but in theory I see no reason why a UK dealership could not offer some sorted Mustangs with warranty where they just install the FRPP parts themselves to make things more interesting.
 
But you're saying slow diesel...as I've already mentioned bmw produce a 2.3 tonne suv that can do 0 to 60 in something like 5.3 seconds...from a diesel engine.

The 335d will do 0 to 60 in 4.8seconds. That's a less powerful engine.

They are far from slow.


Nothing wrong with performance from a diesel but man are the engines a total bore to drive. Usable power range typically of 1500-3500rpm, they all sound total junk and do not rev. In a muscle and sports car a diesel has no place, as performance is not the only aspect of a sports and muscle car, sound, response are also major players and the V8 in the Mustang has a lovely usable and revvy powerband, even more so in the tuned and GT 350 versions. I love flooring mine in any gear from as little as 1000rpm and it pulling hard all the way to the 7500rpm limiter. :)
 
Oh I don't disagree at all. However...the 2.3l sounds a bit pants too so Ford have set a precedent!

Let's face it as well, most manufacturers are going for turbo or supercharged engines in their performance/sports cars and despite their best efforts they just can't eliminate turbo-lagg and those limited power bands. Granted, they're nowhere near as limited as a diseasel.

The v8 is a rare and beautiful thing at the moment but the other posters saying diesels are slow is just plain inaccurate.


Turbo charged does have lag, even the latest very best, I can certainly feel it, but yes a huge improvement over past. They also do impact sound negatively, the new 4.0l V8's from Mercedes in the AMG cars still sound great, but the 6.3l AMG's sound way better.

Super chargers I actually like, no impact on throttle response, car just drives like stock lesser pedal inputs, then when you got heavy throttle or WOT just feels like engine has double in sized and they also if anything make the car sound even better, exhaust gets louder V8 tone and I like supercharger whine. Problem with superchargers is they add a lot of weight, are very expensive and are not efficient.

For me there is nothing better than an NA V8 or V10, their response, noise and power is totally addictive. :)
 
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