NEC LCD20WGX2 review *** UPDATED 25/02/06 ***

Baddass said:
gave him a nudge in the right direction i guess :)

As one forum user told me (his own words):

"
This must be a fantastic screen then considering the review of Vincent. Of what I have read of him in Behardware/hardware.fr, he is a die hard fan of VA tech. That he gives such a good review of an IPS panel is a breakthrough not only for IPS, but for him too"
"

LOL !
 
crunchman said:
One question though, how does this monitor handle/scale 1024*768 ?

Hi,

1024*768 resolution scaling is working just fine. I have already tried several "low-resolution" modes in the desktop/gaming mode and no complains really.
 
Can't update review anymore

Hi,

I'm trying to append the new review update (by editing the first post on this thread) but I'm blown away with the message that I'm limited only to 25000 characters :confused: In this update, I collected some interesting thoughts from the forum and included the Advanced DVM comparisons and the famous "I NEED MORE Socks" cartoon from the PixPerAn.

Anyhow, I will post the update as the new reply to this thread and if forum moderator can somehow move and append this to the main post, it would be much appreciated.

I feel that this may be the last review update. I'm exhausted people. Hope that you have enjoyed the review. I have to apologise for my so-so written English, but I'm trying gringos, I'm trying hard :)

Take care.
 
Review UPDATE ** 23/02/06 ***

*** UPDATE 23/02/06 ***

Long time no see.

So far so good. Monitor is running 24x7 for almost 7 days. I didn't turn it off at all. Even when the computer was idle and non attended, intensive screen saver was in place so that monitor was always busy. For now, still no single trace of either backlight or colour bleeding, dead pixels or any other deformation. It's still exactly the same as in the "lights off" pictures in my review. Picture improved slightly, but not for huge margin.

It seems that US version of this monitor is HDCP enabled. However, Europe/UK version is not HDCP enabled, according to the response from Melanie (NEC UK). It seems that HDCP is not supported on their desktop range. What seems to me is that they are trying to separate then men from the boys, in other words LCD TV from the LCD desktop monitor. Obviously, sales policy between US and Europe is different.

Same old story. It's just discrepancy in the market targeting. In US, HDTV is real and running already, HDCP is probably just around the corner ... so in some sense they wanted to include such video features as immediately available "extras". UK model is exactly the same, just without video features and much better looking (in my book). Also, Europe is preparing the new tax for the 20" LCD monitors and above. Not sure if such model diversion is related with this one or not. We just have speculations floating around.

One thing that is puzzling me, and which is quite strange, is why on the earth monitor has to support this. Monitor is displaying device and not cryptic device. If we can have one simple "in-line" device, connected between the monitor and GPU card who will take care of the decoding process, it would be much more convenient Anyhow, I will not go into HDCP now. At the end of the day, real question is: "Is HDCP important to you?".

Many people were concerned about the screen size, especially when they switch from the 17" or 19" CRT monitors versions. I think that 20" widescreen LCD will be roughly the same height as a 19" CRT vertically. Horizontally you will notice a big difference. I came from the 17" CRT ground and I'm very, very pleased with the screen size improvement. It's simply not comparable (in good sense). One user on the forum even measured the transition from 19" CRT to 20" LCD. Conclusion was that there is approx 16 % more viewing area, it's 18 % wider, and the only thing is that it's about 2 % shorter, which is nothing special.

Wide screen gaming was really new experience for me (it's more "movie like" and you are somewhat more involved in the scene) and I don't mind the wide screen desktop also (it's really cool actually). Also, more importantly, field of view with the wide screen monitors is much more preferable to me. It's somehow more natural to the eye then 4:3 box.

I decided to include one more interesting question from the forums. It's definitely important one. Here it is:

Q:
"
Can someone please explain more to me about advanced DMV. I do not understand how a button can change the contrast ration from 700:1 to 1600:1. Is this some sort of software trick built into the monitor? Does the actual contrast ratio change, or is your eye tricked into thinking it is better somehow? I just do not get it.
"

My Answer:

A:
"
I was puzzled also.

Yesterday, I discovered that "Advanced DVM technology" is also capable of automatic brightness adaptation of the content in real time (according to Nec). This is definitely confirming my theory from the review that "in Advanced DVM mode monitor is somewhat automatically adjusting the contrast levels according to the screen content". Didn't know that I have this feature until now. I agree, it's definitely confusing without the proper specification of this technology.

In practice, results are really good ... as already advised in the review. For example, when there is explicitly dark scene in the game, Advanced DVM will automatically slightly adjust the screen brightness so that you don't loose those "fine" details in the dark, which is essentially important for gaming. At the same time, contrast is improved and brightness is
still on the excellent level.

Yes, 1600:1 it's just flick on the switch and there you have it Now, I personally think that this is the maximum "obtainable" rate and it's closely related to the way how monitor is dynamically adapting to the screen content.
"
As it seems, many people are confused about the Advanced DVM. Now, it's really almost impossible to explain this, until you see it live. However, as I'm utterly stubborn I decided to arm with the camera again and try to illustrate what I'm saying. Take a look (upper pictures are with Advanced DVM off):

FEAR:

http://82.108.12.84:10973/NEWPIC_03/IMG_ADMF.JPG

DOOM3:

http://82.108.12.84:10973/NEWPIC_03/IMG_ADMD.jpg

As you may notice, with Advanced DVM scene is even more dramatic, colours are more real & balanced, black is even more black and contrast is improved. Also, brightness is neutral and it's somehow more pleasant to the eye. What is maybe most important is that you are not loosing those fine details from the dark scene. Everything is there as it should be, but picture is much more improved.

You may or not know about the famous "I NEED MORE Socks" cartoon from the PixPerAn LCD testing application. Generally, PixPerAn is excellent LCD afterglow and ghosting effects testing and identification tool. With my camera tuned at fastest shutter speed, I tried to identify the ghosting effect on this monitor. Take a look:

http://82.108.12.84:10973/NEWPIC_03/IMG_SOCT3.jpg

and more importantly:

http://82.108.12.84:10973/NEWPIC_03/IMG_SOCT4.jpg

Impressive. In fact, it's in-line with the fastest TN 2 ms panels around (like 2ms ViewSonic VX922). This is definitely confirming my theory from the review and from the gaming sessions that this is one exceptionally fast panel. Unfortunately, I couldn't take afterglow pictures with the camera as it was almost impossible to properly capture the fast moving text on the black/white background. Hopefully, afterglow is on the acceptable (or surprising) level too.

IPS is definitely back and it's back with the vengeance! and Welcome Back NEC! It was about time. They were among the best monitor manufactures in the past.

Can I put the strengths of this monitor in one easy to read spec ? Sure, I can:

- Rich, natural, vibrant colours representation and deep blacks
- Crazy brightness (by luminosity spec), but controllable
- Excellent contrast (also thankfully to the TFT film)
- Exceptional gaming performance (for 20" WS panel)
- Excellent viewing angles
- Advanced DVM is doing the job
- Great design
- Tweak ability
- Happy marriage between the IPS panel "historic" advantages (picture balance/colours/viewing angles especially) and incredibly fast response times.
- 0 backlight & colour bleed
- Honestly priced

What about the possible downsides ?

- Video

Some people may be disappointed with the video playback, as pixel pitch is present and glossy screen is problematic when there is intensive ambient light. I tried several titles and it was great (colour reproduction especially). Of course, such "effects" are noticeable mostly when you are very close to the screen. I prefer my movies in the dark or semi dark room and from the moderate distance. Maybe this is the reason why my video experience was OK. Actually, picture quality was overall better than on my home cinema 32" LCD TV. At the end, have you ever tried to watch your large screen LCD TV from the close proximity ? It's quite bad, honestly.

- Glossy Screen ( is this downside at all ?! )

Yes, glossy screen is maybe problematic when there is a presence of the bright ambient light in front of the screen ... but again it's just matter of personal taste. I don't find it very distractive. As this is the subjective matter, maybe this doesn't deserve the global minus. At the end, it's improving the smoothness of the screen and colour & contrast balance. As the general guideline, I would not recommend serious "dark" gaming or "dark" movie playback VERY close to this monitor and in the very bright ambient light (in front of the screen). As gaming/video immersion factor is much more higher in dark or semi-dark environments, I think that glossy screen shouldn't represent the problem for most of you out there. At the end, from the NEC point of view such screen is simply advantage.

Working in desktop is generally OK in any environment, as in this mode screen is noisy and bright.

- No height adjustment for the monitor ( is it really necessary ?! )

Other disadvantages ? Well ... not for now. Seriously. 5 stars from me. Is this almost perfect LCD panel ? I would leave this question to you my friends.
 
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finite said:
Yes, BeHardware (sister site ?) often use the phase twinkling for video, but fourmillement translates to swarming, perhaps more accurate as it doesn't infer brightness.

Honestly, not sure what's the meaning of that term when you are describing the video playback. As mentioned in my review update, pixel pitch (I call it like that ?!) is visible ... you know those blocky squares in all shapes and sizes because of the video compression. From the distance is fine (and this is normal). Maybe he is also referring to the light reflections ... not sure really. Anyhow, you may read my latest review update about the video playback.

Also, not sure why he didn't pay more intention to Advanced DVM. It's new electronic control for the latest LG.Philips panel and I feel it's quite important and interesting (especially as NEC is currently only monitor supporting this).
 
Nutster said:
... my room is dark most of the time, so I wont get reflections :)

LOL

Well ... UK is dark country ... isn't it (at least weather wise) ;)

Seriously now, people should not get impression that they can use this monitor only if they have dark rooms :) Moderate ambient light or just desk lamp (behind the monitor) is doing the job just fine.
 
Hi,

I was reading tftcentral news article today and I decided that it would be interesting to share it with you. Surprisingly, it seems that pro-active education (even for me) is still strong for this monitor. New review update is up.

Take a look.

NB. I decided to edit my first reply (on the first page of this thread) ... really not so important one ... so review extension is now there ;)
 
It's me again :)

There is another review update from tonight. This one is very interesting.

Enjoy.

Baddass, will you be so kind to update the subject of the main thread (on the front page) to include the *** UPDATED 25/02/06 ***

I would like people to know that this review is still alive and kicking ;) Actually, I had that feeling that review was concluded yesterday. Somehow it's always rising from the ashes again and again and again, like Phoenix :D
 
MrLOL said:
cos we reckon the philips probably uses the same LG Philips IPS panel as in the NEC dont we ?
Sometimes, it's not essential that you consider only the panel "type", when short-listing any desired monitor on your shopping list. Of course, it's important bit, but it may happen that electronic control unit or the overdrive control of the panel itself may improve things quite interestingly (like the new LG.Philips 1600:1 technology, for example).

They are sharing the roots of the same technology but panel is different.
 
Guys,

Not sure how to thank you for such nice compliments, really :) & thank you Baddass for publishing my review live.

Personally, I think that review (especially draft version on the forum) is also not strictly "monitor" related. Many other, broad questions, are covered like widescreen aspects from the user perspective, LCD technology from the global & user perspective, users transition from CRT technology, gaming sector is this time covered properly :) and review "style" is probably much more user friendly. Apart from everything else, that's maybe imperative advantage of this review.

Also, I liked the idea to include the questions & worries from the forum users and include my responses. It's much more interesting and it's somehow new approach in the writing of the review itself. It's delivering the message in a clear and direct sense.
 
Review of the review

pfk said:
There's an excellent review of this monitor on BeHardware now.
In all honesty, couple of things are still puzzling me from the Vincent review.

"NEC hasn´t improved its black" ??

- If black is not deep here, I simply don't know where it is ?! It's *much* better than on my home cinema LCD, my old CRT and other LCD panels I had opportunity to see live.

"But is it a monitor destined for gaming? The answer isn´t easy. The wide format might be unappealing for some."
"

?! - This doesn't make sense. Widescreen panel is targeting the specific audience, and with every right. It's personal choice and it's purely dependant for what purpose you want to use this monitor for. As I said before, desktop in the WS mode is pretty cool for me. Now, my office 4:3 panel looks pretty strange to me. Not to mention that FOV is much more natural to the eye than 4:3. Is the widescreen destined for gaming ??? Come on Vincent, do you really believe in what are you trying to say here ?

"Also, if this format is good for some FPS, it isn´t with strategy games where it’s best to have more height to avoid scrolling too much."

- Again, doesn't make sense. When using the non-WS panels you have to scroll to much horizontally in strategy games ?! Simply, don't know what he is trying to tell. Also, WS native resolution is 1680 x 1050 and that's in my book really pretty number of pixels, so again less scrolling in RTS. To achieve 1650x1050 or more pixels on the CRT "acceptable" level you need one really large CRT monitor and that's definitely huge waste of desk space and not to mention that it looks just horrible.

"Twinkling effects in movies"

- Step back while watching movies, what's wrong with that ? Did you ever tried close up with your LCD TV ? It's quite bad, honestly. Important thing is that panel is "fast" and fast motion sequences are rendered properly. Even my home cinema LCD TV is slower than NEC. Not to mention colours as they are much more vibrant here.

"Too bright standard adjustment"

- Again, doesn't make sense. It's controllable and it's not something which is always ON. Maybe some people like extra mile in the brightness of the screen, who knows.

"Not vertically adjustable"

- Is that really important ? You can tilt it (it's supported) or use adjustable chair ;)

** EDIT **

In review, why just few words about the Advanced DVM ???

** EDIT again #2 *** (sorry, still reading the review. French version was simply unbearable for proper reading)

"So, has the LCD finally reached the quality of the CRT in games? No, not yet."

- Come on ... we all know that much. But ... is that really so ? and why he thinks that ? and how thin (or thick) for him is really that border line between those two technologies. Simply put, it's not elaborated properly ... but "some" explanation is following:

"Even at 60 Hz, a good CRT (sharp, because many CRTs are a bit blurred) remains more accurate than the fastest of LCDs. The image isn’t too attractive, but the reaction time is better. So imagine at 85 HZ…"

???

On the picture where he is visually comparing the CRT/LCD monitors ... what do you think which monitor your wife (or missy) would prefer in your pretty house (or flat) ?

CRT is dying. Get over it and "let go".
 
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greywolf said:
Igors is it rearly that reflective, to be annoying?
I think that I already elaborated that in the review ;)

Anyhow, If you stare at the black & blank screen, of course that this could be probably annoying, but monitor screen is not that boring all the time :) That "mirror" picture of Vincent in the review is when the monitor is "off". I can recognise it. When it's on, reflections are slightly dimmed because of the panel luminosity. Also, he has very strong lamp just in front of the monitor ?? When gaming, you *may* see reflections in dark passages (like in that F.E.A.R scene from my review), but generally it's not something to write home about and most importantly such scenes are not happening just all the time.

Guys, it's very difficult for me to comment the glossy screen on your behalf. It's really personal. I think that picture improvements are simply worth it ... and isn't that really more important - improved picture.
 
FoxEye said:
Here's an odd question for you igors! Does that screen coating make the thing any more resistant to scratches or fingerprints? I have a niece and nephews who like to point and touch the screen, ya see :)
It's not odd at all. Screen is simply "hardened" with this coating, so related to your question ... yes it may help there. Unfortunately, I'm really not so keen to test this for you. :D
 
Hi Guys,

I managed to capture some top/bottom viewing angles of the monitor. As Baddass spotted on, it may be usefull for the review also. Until he publish them live, maybe some of you would like to view them in full size. Personally, I didn't take the camera shots of those viewing angles as I thought who the heck is locking at the monitor from those angles anyway :)

Here they are:

Top medium:

http://82.108.12.84:10973/NEWPIC_02/IMG_XU01.jpg

Top extreme:

http://82.108.12.84:10973/NEWPIC_02/IMG_XU02.jpg

Bottom medium:

http://82.108.12.84:10973/NEWPIC_02/IMG_XD01.jpg

Bottom extreme:

http://82.108.12.84:10973/NEWPIC_02/IMG_XD02.jpg
 
pfk said:
Gibbo, the description on the OCUK website states that this monitor has a height adjustable stand but I was under the impression that it doesn't. The same is true for the Viewsonic VX2025wm which only has tilt (at least according to Viewsonic). Can someone please confirm this?
NEC doesn't support the height adjustment (but tilt is supported) and speakers are not included. Just verified the OCUK website. They should update the spec in order to clear the confusion.
 
AFK_Matrix said:
Sorry Igor, I assume thats to the top of the screen was wondering about from the desk to the bottom of the screen?
Take 2:

Distance from the desk to the bottom edge of the screen: 9.5cm.

** EDIT ***

As "tilting" is supported, I suppose that this is probably expandable to some extent.
 
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