Need a subwoofer ~£500

Look at the SVS subs if you want huge value for money. These are good enough for 50 seat home cinema rooms! I swear to god I can scare the **** out of anyone within 3 blocks with my PB2000 and it's ******* huge. If you think you can live with this much bass do it, there literally is no limit to the volume - you can just turn it up until your buildings walls start to get damaged.
 
Those comments on the SVS are funny and quite exaggerated. If your walls are being damaged by a 500w sub then you should move out for you and your families safety as the house is clearly falling to pieces.

Take a look at the xtz 3x12 or the larger PSA subs if you want to see truly beastly and great value subs that pump out 1.5kw plus.

I've got the XLS200, in a room larger than yours. It's more than enough.

It really isn't if you've heard something properly sized for such a room. Don't get me wrong, it's a great little sub for an average sized room say 3m square, but that's it. My old Gemini was great, but it was still a tiny little thing withput much power.

I still have my monolith where it was ran in a 6m x 4.5m room and it started to struggle. I grabbed x2 xtz 1x12 subs and they sound immense. Even x1 kicks the monolith out the park.

Have a look at the new xtz 12.17, around £450 for a 12inch 500w sub is a bargain.

BK make great subs but now with the likes of XTZ and PSA around, the value vs performance bar has moved on.
 
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How much bass do you need ? Two subs for anything under 90Hz is just overkill if you ask me but I suppose its personal preference.
 
How much bass do you need ? Two subs for anything under 90Hz is just overkill if you ask me but I suppose its personal preference.

2 subs help cancel out those pesky dips that just one single sun cannot fix without being moved to the perfect location.

I only got the 2 as they were a secondhand bargain for £990 as the owner was desperate to sell. Even with x1 in the above room, I had true room pressurising bass which the monolith couldn't get close to and that's with the xtz running in sealed mode.
 
I only use my Gemini for films and its more than enough at half gain and even that makes my wife feel sick and my doors vibrate :-)
 
Yeh I have been looking at the XTZ subs too, they look very well designed indeed with the 12.17 being at an attractive price point. Amazingly gloss finishes have no different command in price. 'Light' too at <30kg.

the 1X12 is the £675 sub isn't it?

aren't PSA subs all £1200+?!
 
I only use my Gemini for films and its more than enough at half gain and even that makes my wife feel sick and my doors vibrate :-)

I found the Gem pretty weak when it came to giving that proper LFE feeling, but I was asking an awful lot of in in a 7m x 4m back back at my parents. Still a a capable little sub and would work in smaller rooms.

I'm just of the opinion now that make sure the sub can be sized for a larger room than you have, then you're never having to push it too hard and you can let it truly sing. The thing is, my x2 subs now are great in general use and hardly overpowering, it's only when I really crank up a Blu-Ray that you get that thud feeling in the chest.

Yeh I have been looking at the XTZ subs too, they look very well designed indeed with the 12.17 being at an attractive price point. Amazingly gloss finishes have no different command in price. 'Light' too at <30kg.

the 1X12 is the £675 sub isn't it?

aren't PSA subs all £1200+?!

Yes, amazing value for the new 12.17 and around £450 from Epic Home Cinema from what I remember. My partner would have preferred one of them as they come in white, but I had already got the 1x12s a few months previously.

Yep they are £675 new, but it would be interesting to hear one vs the new 12.17 to see if the price difference is justified.

Yep, seems they're even more expensive than when they first came over here. S1500 looks lovely, but expensive vs the US cost once you've factored in the importing and supplier mark up.

SVS are still great for the price, but I've been swayed by the XTZ bandwagon. Their Cinema Series speakers are something very special indeed, but then so are their more Hi-Fi floorstanding 99.36, M2 and very much so the Divine 100.33. Hoping to get some Divines for my front 3 speakers when I have enough cash over the course of the next year :D

Jag @ Epic Home Cinema does a great demo and is a thoroughly nice guy to boot. No sales BS, just lets the speakers do the talking.
 
The 1x12 and 12.17 both are 12" drivers with 500w amps I'm not fully sure what the difference are aside from £225! I'm sure there must be something. Great tweakability with the XTZ subs.

I remember reading about XTZ couple years ago, seems they have really snowballed since then.

Just looked up epichimecinema and Jag is just down the road from home in London, if I'm down there and still sub- less be great to check them out.
 
It really isn't if you've heard something properly sized for such a room. Don't get me wrong, it's a great little sub for an average sized room say 3m square, but that's it. My old Gemini was great, but it was still a tiny little thing withput much power.

I still have my monolith where it was ran in a 6m x 4.5m room and it started to struggle. I grabbed x2 xtz 1x12 subs and they sound immense. Even x1 kicks the monolith out the park.

Have a look at the new xtz 12.17, around £450 for a 12inch 500w sub is a bargain.

BK make great subs but now with the likes of XTZ and PSA around, the value vs performance bar has moved on.

I've heard several subs, even tried the XTZ's a little while ago as I was thinking of changing the BK, but thought they were way way too much for my room/set up. I guess it depends how much you like your windows and doors shaking.
 
I've heard several subs, even tried the XTZ's a little while ago as I was thinking of changing the BK, but thought they were way way too much for my room/set up. I guess it depends how much you like your windows and doors shaking.

I only have the gain knob at 9 o'clock on my xls400, and it's more than enough.

Bass really does travel and living in a modern semi detach my neighbour can feel the rumble, in fact they've came over to knock on my door on more than one occasion and I didn't think it was even that loud in terms of volume, but when he low end kicks in...you can feel it on every surface in the room.
 
Right it's either:

XTZ 12.17 Gloss Black * Price just increased to £540! though not surprised..
or
BK XXLS400 Walnut DF
 
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