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Fair enough then, no reason not to use works then for me.
Need for Speed Shift - Time Trial Championship ** Season 3 ** (Multiplatform)
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You hit that with no tuning?
Well here's my first attempt after tuning. I'm now going to try with default tuning and yes it's Works Converted for me
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Default Tuning
T-1 Slight dab on the brakes - Drop to 5th
T-2 No brakes - Drop to 5th
T-3/4 Slight dab on the brakes - Drop to 4th (from 5/6th)
T-5 No brakes - Taken in 5th
T-6 Change up to 6th as soon as you start going downhill
T-7 Last corner. When the racing line turns red drop to 5th - No need to brake
For those of you still using auto gears, this week's challenge is the perfect opportunity to try manual.
Very little braking & gear changing required.
Once you're in 4th gear you won't need to drop any lower so you only have to worry about 4th > 5th > 6th then 6th < 5th < 4th. Two gear changes when accelerating, two gear changes when de-accelerating. Also you'll notice when you manually change down a gear the car slows due to 'Engine braking' minimising the use of the brakes too slow the car down.
Oh... turn off ABS (and other aids) you don't need them this week
Very little braking & gear changing required.
Once you're in 4th gear you won't need to drop any lower so you only have to worry about 4th > 5th > 6th then 6th < 5th < 4th. Two gear changes when accelerating, two gear changes when de-accelerating. Also you'll notice when you manually change down a gear the car slows due to 'Engine braking' minimising the use of the brakes too slow the car down.
Oh... turn off ABS (and other aids) you don't need them this week
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I've almost figured it out on those turns and here's my new time:
So I could hit some early 1.20s real soon
I feel you CK61938, same for me. It's obviously possible to get much lower as these other guys have shown, but I'm at a complete loss as to how. I'm driving this, well, 'almost' perfect, yet still can't even get 1:23 , let alone 1:22. 
I've uploaded a video of me doing a complete set of laps, perhaps someone can give me pointers. 
My driving gets smoothest by the last lap
I've uploaded a video of me doing a complete set of laps, perhaps someone can give me pointers. My driving gets smoothest by the last lap
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Merlin, you are one aggressive driver, that's not a bad thing. You need to know when & how to use this aggression to your advantage.I feel you CK61938, same for me. It's obviously possible to get much lower as these other guys have shown, but I'm at a complete loss as to how. I'm driving this, well, 'almost' perfect, yet still can't even get 1:23 , let alone 1:22.
Thanks for recording a vid of a FULL session, helps me get a constant for your driving style.
The reason your lap times are slow in comparison to others is in the main down to your aggressive nature to cornering. You are using way too much corrective steering.
The perfect corner is taken with the smallest amount of steering possible i.e. straightening the corner as much as possible.
To achieve this 'Perfect Corner' you'll need the following:
Braking point
Turn-in point
Add Steering Angle
Apex - Hold Steering Angle & throttle
Turn-out point
Remove Steering Angle
Throttle point
Exit point
Bear in mind that all takes place in a split second.
Out brake yourself (we've all done this) into a corner even very slightly & you've screwed the perfect corner straight away.
You've missed the braking point, thus you have:
1. missed the turn-in (more steering angle needed)
2. missed the apex (unintentionally created a tighter corner)
3. missed turn-out point (holding steering & throttle longer than necessary)
4. missed throttle point (late getting on the gas)
5. missed exit point (compromised speed/position on track)
Get everything right up to point 3 & you've screwed 4 & 5 as well. That's not as bad. So you see why were told slow-in fast out. It's better to make a good corner entry to minimise error count.
This is near to impossible to achieve on a one lap basis. If it were easy we'd all have matching lap times.
Merlin & others, what you need to practise is steering in ONCE on entry to a corner then holding that position (no sheering/sawing at the wheel), steering out ONCE on corner exit.
Every time you make a major adjustment to the steering you're creating another corner. This compromises your speed through the corner.
A good reference point to use is tyre noise. Minimise that intermittent screeching around a corner.
Watching your vid you haven't a problem with your speed, if anything you could brake later, turn-in later. This is your aggressive side which is good. Don't alter this too much.
Once in a corner be smooth & progressive yes!!
It may feel slower but your lap time will come down. It feels slower because your input is less.
One more thing. You may go slower (lap time) whilst you adapt your cornering. DO NOT be put off by this. This is normal.
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Thanks a lot nikaz for watching the vid and offering your wisdom
Yeah, I have to admit, I've often been surprised (on other courses not just this one) where I've seen my laptime reduced when I've actually gone SLOWER into corners or just generally driven more relaxed. The difficulty though is trying to drive a course slower, sometimes cars seem to grip better at faster speeds. I'll need to try and slow myself down a bit on this one initially to try and perfect these corners. I just found a video of you with another car on willow springs GP. It gives me a better idea of how you approached it.
True, but, it does demonstrate how nikaz takes corners more smoothly than me. Also, I just noticed he's holding about 112mph fairly constantly at the long right hand curve from 0:25 seconds, whereas I dropped from 116mph to around 95mph going into the curve, so I'm presuming I should be able to hold a faster speed at that curve. Or maybe not if the renault doesn't grip as well, I dunno. 
True, but, it does demonstrate how nikaz takes corners more smoothly than me. Also, I just noticed he's holding about 112mph fairly constantly at the long right hand curve from 0:25 seconds, whereas I dropped from 116mph to around 95mph going into the curve, so I'm presuming I should be able to hold a faster speed at that curve. Or maybe not if the renault doesn't grip as well, I dunno.
You should be able to hold speed of around about 100mph around that right hander.
Thanks a lot nikaz for watching the vid and offering your wisdom
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On my vid watch my steering wheel. See how little I adjust the steering once the car is set in the corner. Try & keep a constant hold on the steering.
Check T-2 & the last corner.
T-2 - See how I hold a steady position on the steering wheel throughout the double apex T-2
Last corner - See how I blend the steering out as I'm exiting the corner on to the straight.
Try and replicate that.
