Need Help Choosing RAM

mysticsniper · 20 Jan 2020 at 09:48

I am really stuck on which RAM for my Ryzen build, I have the 3900X and Auros Ultra motherboard.

32GB is my preference, I run a lot of VM's for various tasks.

I would prefer 2 sticks over the 4, which rules out 8 Pack, I am not overly keen on Corsair Vengance, seen more bad than good.

Appreciate any assistance here

mysticsniper · 30 Jan 2020 at 18:22

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My hardware has turned up, just waiting on the memory.

I have looking at GSkill Flare X and Corsair Dominator as two potentials, but it seems to be a lottery on Samsung or Hynix.

Postmodum · 31 Jan 2020 at 15:36

My 2 cents on this is ... just get some 3600 CL16 .. .or 3600 CL14 memory ... don't get memory that is 4000+ and then try to fine-tune it because you'll have a loooot of headaches with it

As for brand ... You have the TeamGroup ARGB 3600CL14 that are just cute!

mysticsniper · 31 Jan 2020 at 20:12

Postmodum said:
My 2 cents on this is ... just get some 3600 CL16 .. .or 3600 CL14 memory ... don't get memory that is 4000+ and then try to fine-tune it because you'll have a loooot of headaches with it
As for brand ... You have the TeamGroup ARGB 3600CL14 that are just cute!

That Team Group T-Force Xtreem ARGB mirror finish does look nice, shame they only come in 8GB sticks only.

CMT32GX4M2C3200C16 - seems to be the winner and they're available, unlike the GSkill Flare X.

Postmodum · 2 Feb 2020 at 12:21

For 3200 get CL14 ... that's a higher binned chip than that 3200CL16

Zig13 · 2 Feb 2020 at 13:53

mysticsniper said:
That Team Group T-Force Xtreem ARGB mirror finish does look nice, shame they only come in 8GB sticks only.

Samsung B-die only comes on 8GB sticks unfortunately.

You could get as Quad Channel Kit like this one.
Depending on your motherboard (especially topology) and CPU you could probably tighten those timings.

EsaT · 2 Feb 2020 at 14:08

Postmodum said:
My 2 cents on this is ... just get some 3600 CL16 .. .or 3600 CL14 memory

Also 3200MHz CL14 is sure to be good bin B-die and are the cheapest such.
But not all 3600MHz CL16 is B-die.
G.Skill's 16-19-19 kits are some Hynix factory overclocked to max. (or possibly lower bin B-die)
3600MHz 16-16-16 kits are B-die.
You'll recognize them from price...

EsaT · 2 Feb 2020 at 14:14

Zig13 said:
Samsung B-die only comes on 8GB sticks unfortunately.

G.Skill has plenty of commonly available 2x16GB dual rank B-die kits.
All 3200MHz CL14 kits and 3600MHz 16-16-16 kits are such.

Also other brands have 2x16GB B-dies, but those are harder to find and usually even more ludicrously expensive in those high clocks.
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/communi...iste-alle-hersteller-26-01-20.1161530/#lstH.B

mysticsniper · 2 Feb 2020 at 16:13

Thanks for the replies, that link is invaluable

Just need to check against the QVL

Zig13 · 3 Feb 2020 at 10:09

EsaT said:
G.Skill has plenty of commonly available 2x16GB dual rank B-die kits.

You're right but (as I understand) Dual Rank sticks put more pressure on the memory controller so are sub-optimal for overclocking.

Buildzoid has a great (albeit long and rambly) video on finding B-die that's worth a watch.

Also another (shorter) video explaining influence of topology and rank on overclocking.

EsaT · 3 Feb 2020 at 12:05

Zig13 said:
You're right but (as I understand) Dual Rank sticks put more pressure on the memory controller so are sub-optimal for overclocking.

Two DIMMs per channel also makes two ranks and is equally heavy for memory controller.
And it's also more demanding on motherboard's DIMM slot wiring.
Usual "daisy chain" wiring gives clearest signaling for only one DIMM per channel.
That makes 2x16GB better most of the time than 4x8GB.

And while there should be some 16Gb DDR4 DRAMs which would enable single rank 16GB DIMMs, those DRAM chips are eaten by "too much isn't enough" memory demand of servers.

Smiffy-UK · 3 Feb 2020 at 23:03

Zig13 said:
Samsung B-die only comes on 8GB sticks unfortunately.

You could get as Quad Channel Kit like this one.
Depending on your motherboard (especially topology) and CPU you could probably tighten those timings.

I have this and I love it. A xmp. Do it. And then flex like 8pack.

Alan1969 · 4 Feb 2020 at 14:21

my 2 cents is that I bought the 8 pack and the heat spreaders are high - so consider the cooler going ontop

mysticsniper · 4 Feb 2020 at 16:17

I picked up BLS16G4D32AESB for £50, this will tidy me over as I am going to the states in 12 weeks.

I can collect some F4-3200C14D-32GTZR or F4-3600C16D-32GTZN when I am there

Alan1969 · 4 Feb 2020 at 16:30

mysticsniper said:
I picked up BLS16G4D32AESB for £50, this will tidy me over as I am going to the states in 12 weeks.

I can collect some F4-3200C14D-32GTZR or F4-3600C16D-32GTZN when I am there

presumably you mean £150?

mysticsniper · 4 Feb 2020 at 17:16

Alan1969 said:
presumably you mean £150?

Its a typo, should be BLS2K8G4D32AESBK, which cost me £50

Zig13 · 5 Feb 2020 at 12:37

Alan1969 said:
my 2 cents is that I bought the 8 pack and the heat spreaders are high - so consider the cooler going ontop

I think 8Pack has mentioned elsewhere that the top of the headspreader can be easily removed and at no detriment to cooling. I guess aesthetics could take a hit depending on what angle you look at them from but not if the CPU tower cooler completely covers them.
Might have referred to a specific model though.

Alan1969 · 5 Feb 2020 at 13:04

Zig13 said:
I think 8Pack has mentioned elsewhere that the top of the headspreader can be easily removed and at no detriment to cooling. I guess aesthetics could take a hit depending on what angle you look at them from but not if the CPU tower cooler completely covers them.
Might have referred to a specific model though.

yes 8 pack did mention that the top of the heat spreader can come off and if you need even more clearance then I think that the heat spreader can be fully dismantled.