Need help on a build!!

I've hit a brick wall... so I realised that my cabinet is not 39.6cm high. I forgot to measure it from the inside :(. This would mean that I can't use the Silverstone SST-TJ08B-EW Temjin Midi-Tower. The max height the case must be is 24cm, with the depth/width no more than 40cm.

I've reached out to OC and they said I should use the Silverstone SST-ML07B Milo Mini ITX Case. Now the depth and width are similar to the Silverstone SST-TJ08B-EW Temjin Midi-Tower but the height is only 10.5cm, making it perfect for my cabinet.

They also confirmed that it will be compatible with the below parts:
Asus Z170M-Plus Intel Z170 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i5-6600 3.30GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail
Kingston Fury Black 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C15 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black
EVGA GeForce GTX 980Ti FTW ACX 2.0+ 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
Samsung 250GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM
be quiet! Straight Power 10 700W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply
Microsoft Windows 10 64-Bit DVD - OEM
Alpenföhn Matterhorn Pure Edition CPU Cooler

However, I feel that the case won't be cool enough. Am I right? I worry about the damage to the components down the line. What other alternative cases are out there that are in the dimension (40cm x 24cm x 40cm) and offer the best cooling!! I will add all the optional fans that come with a case.

I've looked online and I can see the below are good alternatives, or would the case recommended by OC good enough (Silverstone SST-ML07B Milo Mini ITX Case)?
- Node 304 HTPC Chassis (I think this one?)
- Sugo SG05 HTPC
- Sugo SG08 Case


Thanks!!
 
What about if you lie the case on it's side ? Then you could stick with the Silverstone Temjin TJ08.

So if you lie it on it's right side then it would be 210mm high. All the buttons and usb connectors are on the front, so you still have access.

Having a pc on it's side won't affect how the components run. Hard drives and fans can still work fine.
 
You know what? That's perfect :). It would fit with a lot of room as well. The fans are at the front and back, so they won't be blocked. I am guessing the motherboard won't be affected?

Also, can the Asus Z170M-Plus Intel Z170 boot from USB?

Below is my final build, any suggestions? Worth maybe getting the 140mm Magnetic Fan Filter?

Asus Z170M-Plus Intel Z170 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i5-6600 3.30GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail
Kingston Fury Black 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C15 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (HX424C15FBK2/16
Silverstone SST-TJ08B-EW Temjin Midi-Tower - Black Window
EVGA GeForce GTX 980Ti FTW ACX 2.0+ 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (06G-P4-4996-KR)
Samsung 250GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-75E250B/EU)
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM (WD1003FZEX)
be quiet! Straight Power 10 700W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply
Microsoft Windows 10 64-Bit DVD - OEM (MS-KW9-00139)
Alpenföhn Matterhorn Pure Edition CPU Cooler
NF-F12 IndustrialPPC 2000RPM PWM 120mm High Performance Fan


Thanks!!
 
EKAN87 said:
You know what? That's perfect :). It would fit with a lot of room as well. The fans are at the front and back, so they won't be blocked. I am guessing the motherboard won't be affected?

Also, can the Asus Z170M-Plus Intel Z170 boot from USB?

Below is my final build, any suggestions? Worth maybe getting the 140mm Magnetic Fan Filter?

Asus Z170M-Plus Intel Z170 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i5-6600 3.30GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail
Kingston Fury Black 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C15 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (HX424C15FBK2/16
Silverstone SST-TJ08B-EW Temjin Midi-Tower - Black Window
EVGA GeForce GTX 980Ti FTW ACX 2.0+ 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (06G-P4-4996-KR)
Samsung 250GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-75E250B/EU)
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM (WD1003FZEX)
be quiet! Straight Power 10 700W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply
Microsoft Windows 10 64-Bit DVD - OEM (MS-KW9-00139)
Alpenföhn Matterhorn Pure Edition CPU Cooler
NF-F12 IndustrialPPC 2000RPM PWM 120mm High Performance Fan


Thanks!!
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No it won't have any effect on the motherboard by turning it 90 Degrees.

You won't need any extra filters, as the case has one fitted on the front intake, and also on the roof for the psu vent. The rear doesn't need a filter as it is an exhaust fan.

The pc will boot off the SSD as ocuk will install Windows on there for you. Go with the USB version of Windows 10. If you ever need to do a fresh install, then all you have to do is plug it into the front usb port.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/micr...usb-pen-drive-retail-kw9-00017-sw-174-ms.html

If you definitely don't want to overclock then you could switch the board to the Asus H170M-Plus

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...151-ddr4-micro-atx-motherboard-mb-656-as.html

If you think you might want to overclock in the future then swap the cpu to the 'K' version which is the same price and keep the Z170 board.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...e-socket-lga1151-processor-oem-cp-580-in.html


The BeQuiet power supply isn't as good as the Corsair RMx. The Corsair unit uses all Japanese capacitors, and it has a semi fanless mode. The warranty is also longer (7 years).

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...lar-power-supply-cp-9020091-uk-ca-209-cs.html
 
Thanks!! I have taken your advice on board. I decided to keep the rear fan as backup. If I needed to turn it off let's say, is there a software to do this (without fan controller or through BIOS)?
 
Also, going back on laying the PC on it's side - I've checked with OC as well and they too said that there wouldn't be any issues on the components. In fact, since the case has to have the motherboard inverted (design of the case), laying the PC on it's side is more beneficial because it means there is no stress on the heatsink/GPU and other heavy components.

My only question (looking at an example build below) is if heat rises, does laying the PC on it's side make the bottom of the motherboard warmer than usual? Or it doesn't matter as long there is sufficient cooling?

http://techreport.com/review/22814/silverstone-temjin-tj08-e-evolution-enclosure/4
 
EKAN87 said:
Thanks!! I have taken your advice on board. I decided to keep the rear fan as backup. If I needed to turn it off let's say, is there a software to do this (without fan controller or through BIOS)?
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EKAN87 said:
Also, going back on laying the PC on it's side - I've checked with OC as well and they too said that there wouldn't be any issues on the components. In fact, since the case has to have the motherboard inverted (design of the case), laying the PC on it's side is more beneficial because it means there is no stress on the heatsink/GPU and other heavy components.

My only question (looking at an example build below) is if heat rises, does laying the PC on it's side make the bottom of the motherboard warmer than usual? Or it doesn't matter as long there is sufficient cooling?

http://techreport.com/review/22814/silverstone-temjin-tj08-e-evolution-enclosure/4
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You want to keep the Noctua Fan in there as the case doesn't have one fitted at the rear. It is the extra magnetic filter that you don't need, as the case has dust filters fitted at the front and top. You don't need a rear filter as it is an exhaust fan.

If you need to turn the fan off (For cleaning etc) then just unplug it from the motherboard header. The motherboard will control the speed of the pwm case fan, but you can also use Asus Fan software if you want to create a fan curve.


You shouldn't see any difference in temps. The heat will still exhaust out of the rear fan just the same.
 
Thanks again, Lee. I didn't understand the part about "You want to keep the Noctua Fan in there as the case doesn't have one fitted at the rear."

Below is the order that I put through to be built. When speaking to OC they suggested the "Akasa AK-FN062 Apache Black Super Silent 140mm Fan" as the rear fan. Is this wrong?

Silverstone SST-TJ08B-EW Temjin Midi-Tower - Black Window
Akasa AK-FN062 Apache Black Super Silent 140mm Fan
Asus Z170M-Plus Intel Z170 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i5-6600K 3.9GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor
Alpenföhn Matterhorn Pure Edition CPU Cooler
Kingston Fury Black 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C15 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black
EVGA GeForce GTX 980Ti Superclocked ACX 2.0+ 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
Samsung 250GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM
EVGA Supernova P2 750W '80 Plus Platinum' Modular Power Supply
TP-Link 450Mbps Wireless N Dual Band PCI Express Adapter
Microsoft Windows 10 32/64-Bit - USB Pen Drive
 
I was referring to the Noctua NF-F12 that you had listed in your spec :)

The Silverstone Temjin takes a 120mm fan at the rear (See link below) so the 140mm Akasa would be too big.

http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=303


Also you don't need to spend extra on a Platinum rated psu. A Gold one is fine. The savings on your elec bill will be negligible at best.

And you don't need 750W. The Asus board doesn't support SLI (2 x Nvidia cards) so a 550W is already more than enough. A 650w would give you extra room if you wanted to overclock the cpu and graphics card. A 750W is just overkill :)
 
Also (I know I am bad at keeping all my questions in one post), is it worth my asking OC to remove the drive cages on the ones that are not being used for improved air flow?
 
EKAN87 said:
I know right? OC selected 140mm fan but I always knew the case only took 120mm for the rear fan. I will call tomorrow to have that part replaced. So you're saying the Noctua is the best fan for the rear?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/noct...pwm-120mm-high-performance-fan-fg-023-nc.html

Or this one?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/noctua-nf-s12a-flx-fan-120mm-fg-018-nc.html
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EKAN87 said:
Oh, yeah I know I went a bit overboard on the PSU but I like to live the life of excess :)
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The fan mount at the front of the case which has a 180mm pre-installed, is also compatible with a 140mm fan, so maybe they are getting mixed up with that.

I would go with a Noiseblocker if it was my build. They are high quality like Noctua and BeQuiet and they also have a 6 year warranty.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £21.65
(includes shipping: £8.70)
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No reason to get a Platinum psu though. The EVGA G2 is £20 cheaper.
 
EKAN87 said:
Also (I know I am bad at keeping all my questions in one post), is it worth my asking OC to remove the drive cages on the ones that are not being used for improved air flow?
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They would probably be using both of the hard drive cages for the SSD and hard drive.

I don't know if the dvd bay can be removed, but that probably won't do much for airflow.

You can always ask them the question though.
 
Thanks :)

So I selected the Noiseblocker BlackSilent Pro Fan PLPS - 120mm PWM (1500rpm) for the rear fan. Will this constantly run at 1500rpm or will I be able to lower it from the BIOS? I guess it doesn't really matter if it's silent?
 
EKAN87 said:
Thanks :)

So I selected the Noiseblocker BlackSilent Pro Fan PLPS - 120mm PWM (1500rpm) for the rear fan. Will this constantly run at 1500rpm or will I be able to lower it from the BIOS? I guess it doesn't really matter if it's silent?
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No it won't run at full speed. The fan speed will automatically be controlled by the board.

You can also install Asus AI Suite 3 which has the fan xpert software included if you want to tweak your fan profiles.
 
Cheers, Lee. Now that I just need to wait for my PC, I've been thinking about my TV. The PC will be located in the living room with it being hooked up to the TV. The TV I use is this (had it for a while):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX-39AS500B-Widescreen-discontinued-manufacturer/dp/B00IOQ5X7M

I'm wondering, it says 1080P Full HD 100hz Back-Light Blinking. Does that mean I can display games at 60fps (provided the PC can achieve this on the game, which this build should)? I only ever plan on gaming in 1920x1080 (which is the max resolution of the TV anyway). Also, if I removed the V-Sync from the game, can this TV take anything above 60fps (if the PC could)?
 
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