need new ISP since AOL changed

LoadsaMoney · 4 Jan 2007 at 20:17

I don't think anyone can answer that, as no one knows what the future holds, at the moment they don't, which is why ill be going onto them soon.

tolien · 4 Jan 2007 at 20:20

Though they have in the past, before their second and third Centrals were installed.

Hyper · 5 Jan 2007 at 01:20

I am with UKFSN on there £19.99 8mb Max Allowance service, never goes down, pings are always between 24ms and 30ms and I always get between 500kb/s and 600kb/s on my 5.5mb line.

Can I ask for much more

fornowagain · 5 Jan 2007 at 01:38

All the heavy downloaders are going to Enta, can't see it being long before the start shaping, even with extra pipes. Still, you can always jump later, only a months contract.

cruisinbeatz · 5 Jan 2007 at 14:58

I see, i guess ide be classed as a heavy downloader then if i go with one of them packages then yea?

LoadsaMoney · 5 Jan 2007 at 15:11

Doesn't matter if you are a heavy downloader though, you have caps, you could download all weekend, but if your still under your 330gb at the end of the month, they aint gona say/do anything are they surely, as your cap is 330gb off peak, your under it.

cruisinbeatz · 5 Jan 2007 at 19:11

I see, well i think i will change then, i may phone AOL to get the MAC code, does anyone know how long that takes to receive it?

LoadsaMoney · 5 Jan 2007 at 20:30

They normally say it can take up to 5 days for a MAC code, but some ppl have had them 20 minutes after they've phoned AOL, ill be doing the same next week if the FUP email doesn't turn up, id like to know what the limits are etc... as theres no way im going past the 1st Feb blind, and getting stuck till my contracts up in August, so it will be UKFSN here we come to.

fornowagain · 5 Jan 2007 at 22:45

LoadsaMoney said:
Doesn't matter if you are a heavy downloader though, you have caps, you could download all weekend, but if your still under your 330gb at the end of the month, they aint gona say/do anything are they surely, as your cap is 330gb off peak, your under it.

Thats right, of course. But what I mean is that no ISP can afford too may heavy downloaders. The rate they get charged from BT is too high, I can't remember the central line charge, but its something silly like £0.60/GB. The only way they manage large allowances, is if the majority of their customer don't use their allowance. No way does £30 cover 300GB. Its like a domino effect. The heavy users outstay their welcome, sign up with the next best thing and a few months later the shaping starts.

rapid64k · 5 Jan 2007 at 23:10

try "be" 24mb and no caps. i am also with aol will wait and see what happens once talk talk get their mits on aol .

LoadsaMoney · 5 Jan 2007 at 23:38

fornowagain said:
Thats right, of course. But what I mean is that no ISP can afford too may heavy downloaders. The rate they get charged from BT is too high, I can't remember the central line charge, but its something silly like £0.60/GB. The only way they manage large allowances, is if the majority of their customer don't use their allowance. No way does £30 cover 300GB. Its like a domino effect. The heavy users outstay their welcome, sign up with the next best thing and a few months later the shaping starts.

True.

tolien · 6 Jan 2007 at 00:13

fornowagain said:
I can't remember the central line charge, but its something silly like £0.60/GB.

There isn't a charge for transfer, but it's £1.4 million for a 622Mbps Central.

fornowagain · 6 Jan 2007 at 00:52

tolien said:
There isn't a charge for transfer, but it's £1.4 million for a 622Mbps Central.

Quite, a poor choice of words on my part. Worked backwards from the fixed pipe charges plus each connection. Point is, the seesaw soon tips. I haven't checked the veracity of these figures. If anyone has more accurate numbers I'd be interested to know, but it makes the point.

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Wheel_Nut said:
The cost of providing a BT ADSL Connection is £8 per Month.

A 622Mbps pipe costs £1,496,760.00 +VAT per year.

So flat out 24/7 you could transfer this per year

622 + 311 / 8 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365 / 1024 = 3,591,686GB

Which works out at about 42p + VAT per GB.

Allowing for times when the pipes are going to be under utilised let's call it 50p + VAT per GB.

So, the cost of servicing a 60GB Customer would be:

Connection Charge per Month : £ 8-00
Data Cost for 60GB per Month: £ 30-00
Overheads, Depreciaion, Customer Service etc. .... say £2-00 per month
VAT @17.5% : £7-00

TOTAL COST £47 per month.

Thats what? £180 for a 300GB customer, Entanet charge how much, £20!

tolien · 6 Jan 2007 at 02:27

The theory is that the lion's share of the 300GB is when there'd normally be next to no utilisation though, ie in the small hours of the morning, so the cost isn't quite like that.
I'd be more concerned at what share of a Central £20 a month gets you, and the fact that Enta have lit (segments of) 2 622Mbps Centrals in the space of months, in both occasions lit them late, and had to shape in both cases (and the first time round, were somewhat misleading about whether they were doing it at all).

There's a different set of numbers for the L2TP customers (like Aquiss), but I can't remember what Enta's L2TP charges are (£200 per Mbps sounds familiar, but I'm open to correction).

cruisinbeatz · 9 Jan 2007 at 14:58

Well currently AOL have started capping me, i get my ususal 370kbs during the day and as soon at it gets to 8 the line dies to 95kbs and doesnt start up again until 8am.

Also rang and canceled my aol today, with no problems, they didnt try and encourage me at all to stay, lol. MAC code on its way

LoadsaMoney · 9 Jan 2007 at 15:08

cruisinbeatz said:
Well currently AOL have started capping me, i get my ususal 370kbs during the day and as soon at it gets to 8 the line dies to 95kbs and doesnt start up again until 8am.

Also rang and canceled my aol today, with no problems, they didnt try and encourage me at all to stay, lol. MAC code on its way

Good stuff.

rapid64k · 9 Jan 2007 at 16:52

cruisinbeatz said:
Well currently AOL have started capping me, i get my ususal 370kbs during the day and as soon at it gets to 8 the line dies to 95kbs and doesnt start up again until 8am.

Also rang and canceled my aol today, with no problems, they didnt try and encourage me at all to stay, lol. MAC code on its way

I have been with AOL since dial up. when you say you got your MAC address does this enable you to port your email address with you?

tolien · 9 Jan 2007 at 17:01

Email addresses don't "port". You'd get a new one from your new ISP, and unless AOL offer an option to keep the account active (probably involving you giving them money), the account will die when you migrate (or soon after).

rapid64k · 9 Jan 2007 at 17:04

tolien said:
Email addresses don't "port". You'd get a new one from your new ISP, and unless AOL offer an option to keep the account active (probably involving you giving them money), the account will die when you migrate (or soon after).

Could you tell me what this MAC is and why you need to "Ask" your ISP for it!

tolien · 9 Jan 2007 at 17:49

Migrating your ADSL service between ISPs, and because only your ISP has access to the system that generates them (well, others do too but that's irrelevant).