need Spellchecking for web browser?

Mattus · 18 Jun 2008 at 23:33

paradigm said:
Perhaps a brush up on your knowledge wouldn't go a miss?

Look at tolien's benchmark. Shows Fx3 nearly ten times faster than IE7 at running JavaScript. Perhaps you should give some evidence that IE7 is at least as fast as Firefox 3? And indeed, give some reasons why Firefox 3 sucks, given that on Fx3's first day over 8 million people disagreed with you?

Tosk · 18 Jun 2008 at 23:49

install this Cruiser, it should work then

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3366

paradigm · 19 Jun 2008 at 00:14

Mattus said:
Look at tolien's benchmark. Shows Fx3 nearly ten times faster than IE7 at running JavaScript.

Are you reading a different page?

I see it beating IE7 in framerate only.

Everything else it gets its ass handed to it.

I don't use my browser to get a framerate playing a web based game, I'm not that sad.

As for the 8 Million downloads guff. Well, people do find it "cool" to diss Microsoft don't they?

tolien · 19 Jun 2008 at 00:36

You clearly didn't look at my link, rather than the year-old benchmark LeperousDust posted - mine only shows a single result from the SunSpider benchmark suite.

There's more to JS than "web based games" - even MS agree if IE8 got 4 times faster...

Mattus · 19 Jun 2008 at 02:42

tolien said:
There's more to JS than "web based games" - even MS agree if IE8 got 4 times faster...

Indeed. Web-based email services such as GMail are a good example of the difference good JS performance can make.

Also, paradigm, if IE is so great, how do you explain its miserable failure in the Acid2 test, a test of basic CSS compliance that was created over three years ago? Opera, Safari and Firefox have been passing this for a long time. Somehow, even IE8 beta has problems with it.

snowdog · 19 Jun 2008 at 03:01

paradigm said:
IE7 with IE7 PRO.

Agreed.

bledd. said:
ie7 is uselessly slow compared to firefox & opera

fact

Since when do you need a fast browser :confused:

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Ie7 + ie7 pro has always been more than fast enough for me, I can not understand how you can want a ''faster browser'' ?
All pages load near to instantly for me, unless the server is having trouble...

And Java performance? Why would I need that :confused:

?
Any ways I use my Firefox for naughty stuff and iexplorer for normal stuff, except for the slightly more cluttered and boring interface, they're both the same to me except that Firefox doesn't have ie7pro's rmb draw controls.

paradigm · 19 Jun 2008 at 08:34

Mattus said:
even IE8 beta has problems with it.

To be fair, you're overlooking a crucial word from that sentence there.

I actually use IE8 with IE7PRO, but this is neither here nor there.

IE8 isn't finished yet.

Mattus · 19 Jun 2008 at 13:05

paradigm said:
IE8 isn't finished yet.

I've noticed!

Do you have any response to my other points?

Since when do you need a fast browser ?
Ie7 + ie7 pro has always been more than fast enough for me, I can not understand how you can want a ''faster browser'' ?

You don't need a faster browser. You don't need a faster car, but if given the opportunity to switch to a faster, more fully-featured car for nothing then I don't see why you wouldn't.

snowdog · 19 Jun 2008 at 16:57

Mattus said:
You don't need a faster browser. You don't need a faster car, but if given the opportunity to switch to a faster, more fully-featured car for nothing then I don't see why you wouldn't.

Yes you need a faster car, so you can floor it with a grin, but the thing is, I don't notice ff being faster.
If anything it's less featured than ie7pro...
But then, I haven't tried any plugins for it yet.

MTA99 · 19 Jun 2008 at 17:23

snowdog said:
Yes you need a faster car, so you can floor it with a grin, but the thing is, I don't notice ff being faster.
If anything it's less featured than ie7pro...
But then, I haven't tried any plugins for it yet.

That's a little unfair don't you think? Its like me comparing my vanilla IE7 with a fully addon'd Firefox

Mattus · 19 Jun 2008 at 17:41

IE7Pro seems to be a roll-up of lots of the most popular Firefox features and add-ons for IE. There's barely a feature on the list that isn't influenced by Firefox or Opera.

The great thing about Firefox is that you can have all those features and more if you want to. Alternatively, you can just mix and match the add-ons that you want and completely personalise your browser. The add-on library is huge - it's almost infinitely extensible.

There are a couple of threads listing popular add-ons - have a look and see what you think

LeperousDust · 19 Jun 2008 at 18:34

snowdog said:
Yes you need a faster car, so you can floor it with a grin, but the thing is, I don't notice ff being faster.
If anything it's less featured than ie7pro...
But then, I haven't tried any plugins for it yet.

You really have lost the plot though mate, sorry. I definately notice ff and Opera being noticably faster. I really detest using IE, feels like i'm fighting all the time trying to use it...

I will gloss over the gem of a comment regarding ie7pro being more fully featured. But its laughable.

Also regarding the age old benchmarks i put up before, i didn't really source properly, it was a 3 second first link google job

LeperousDust · 19 Jun 2008 at 18:38

Read this, that seems credible and interesting

Shows IE quite a lot too...

//Edit: Also interesting, but doesn't mention IE all too much.

Mattus · 19 Jun 2008 at 18:51

I think that last link's pretty accurate - Opera is a little faster than Fx, though I can't often tell the difference between Opera 9.5 and Fx3. It's the extensions that keep me using Fx. Safari is nice in its own way too - fast scripting, pretty font rendering, nice Find function. I think there's a case to be made for all three of them, but I can't think of one good reason to use IE over Firefox, Opera or Safari.

LeperousDust · 19 Jun 2008 at 19:01

Yeah you pretty much summed it up for me

Opera is a little more lightweight (when you compare it to a plugin laden FF3) and is more secure basically. But theyre all as good as one another. Suprised at Safaris CSS and Javascript actually, lookin' good!

Fire Wizard · 19 Jun 2008 at 19:18

I currently use Internet Explorer 7 on Windows Vista and the main reason for that is security.

londonbairn · 19 Jun 2008 at 19:41

Use IE7 too, prefer it to Firefox.

LeperousDust · 19 Jun 2008 at 19:48

Fire Wizard said:
I currently use Internet Explorer 7 on Windows Vista and the main reason for that is security.

Is that a joke?

londonbairn · 19 Jun 2008 at 19:52

LeperousDust said:
Is that a joke?

Why can't someone have the freedom to choose whatever browser they feel like? If he/I want to use IE, so what? Why is it such a big issue for many people to spend ages justifying why we should all use Firefox etc etc :confused:

Fire Wizard · 19 Jun 2008 at 20:21

LeperousDust said:
Is that a joke?

Hello LeperousDust, not at all. In Windows Vista, Internet Explorer 7 runs in a sandbox mode which is called "Protected Mode". Internet Explorer 7 running in "Protcted Mode" runs in such a way that it is treated as a low integrity process with very little access to anything outside of it unless the privileges are elevated.

I am not, by far someone that completely knows the ins and outs of Internet Explorer 7. However, I have done quite a bit of research and hopefully I have a basic understanding of it. Now, someone that seems to have a very good understanding of Internet Explorer 7 and the security of it is NathanE who tends to know what he is talking about. Now, this thread here and here doesn't so much explain Internet Explorer working in "Protected Mode" but does raise some quite interesting points.

Now, here and here are two articles explaining Internet Explorer 7 working in "Protected Mode".