Need to upgrade my i5-2500K to something up to date

[MartinPrince]

... then the £250 12600KF would decimate the 3900X....

Not in fully multithread tasks it wouldn't - it's slower! I thought you knew your stuff!

Let me break it down as this might also be useful for the OP. The OP's stated usage case is batch exports, which will use all cores and threads so is a fully multithreaded task and will use all 24 threads of a 3900X.
In addition he is also telling us that he intends to produce video, which can depending on exactly what programs and codecs used or if doing parallel encodes/transcodes can also use all cores and threads (Handbrake iirc uses a maximum of ~16cores/threads).

In the absence of the video application used then most fully multithreaded benchmarks or applications will give a good idea of the difference between CPU's for such tasks. This is why Cinebench etc is ideal to help extrapolate that information.

I thought that you of all people would be aware of that but apparently not, though it seems like it's now more a case of trying to find fault and saving face than actually providing correct, pertinent and salient information to the OP.

 

[storm-chaser]

9600KF is a great choice

 

[heatonpkmassive]

9600KF is a great choice

Not in this instance unfortunately, where the OP has stated they want to use multi-threaded software. Great gaming chip though.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

So ignore it if that is what the user is using? I am not sure that is how the real world works with applications, if they are using Photoshop, Premier and After Effects, then why would you not look at those benchmarks. If they were using Davinci, etc then you'd look at those. If they were doing 3D rending then you'd look at that. It's like saying I play CP:2077 so use a benchmark from F1 2021. Makes no sense at all.

quoted for the truth.

 

[JollyJamma]

Not in this instance unfortunately, where the OP has stated they want to use multi-threaded software. Great gaming chip though.

Agreed with this.

So odd when people chip into a conversation about W use case for X price range with a product that they bought to use for Y usage at Z price.

"I see you're looking at a Thread Ripper system with 64 cores for video editing, I got a Celeron D and it's perfect for web browsing"

 

[MartinPrince]

quoted for the truth.

So why didn't you quote this then?

... the £250 12600KF would decimate the 3900X....

Probably because it is not true for the OP's usage!

As I've already supplied 'Batch Export' proof and just to drive home the main point (from the link provided by Journey) that the 3900X that Tetras recommended fits the criteria given by the OP the best, here are some video encoding charts:

Look just how much better a 3900X is than a 12400 - so even faster again than a 11400f. The fact I used Cinebench doesn't really change the overall point does it?

So @Cyber-Mav, maybe you'd like to explain to me how a 11400f or 12400 would be better for the OP for batch exports or video encoding? You'll also note that the 12600K is on those charts, so you can also tell me how a "12600KF would decimate the 3900X" when it is slower in video encoding> (and also batch exports for that matter)

 

[Journey]

Well the OP hasn't even bother to come back and clarify anything e.g. programs being, used % balance of workload etc., so utter waste of time IMO. Perhaps they'll stick to the 1 year+ time scale between recent posts. Interesting to see difference of option though, based on 'rough' data outline and how different people interpret that. For MP the £99 11400F is available to anyone btw, if you can be bothered to use Google, which it seems you can based on your benchmarks etc.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

@MartinPrince i never said X cpu is better than Y cpu. i quoted the post because its correct in saying to check relevant benchmarks for your needs. e.g no point looking at photoshop benchmarks if all your going to be using the cpu for is video encoding.

 

[MartinPrince]

Well the OP hasn't even bother to come back and clarify anything e.g. programs being, used % balance of workload etc., so utter waste of time IMO. Perhaps they'll stick to the 1 year+ time scale between recent posts. Interesting to see difference of option though, based on 'rough' data outline and how different people interpret that. For MP the £99 11400F is available to anyone btw, if you can be bothered to use Google, which it seems you can based on your benchmarks etc.

Come on Journey, the deflection is unbecoming of you!

This is what people do when their overall point is wrong - find other areas to argue over and point out, i.e. Whataboutisms if you will, rather than have the fortitude to just admit "I got it wrong". Or maybe you would prefer to back up your assertions that the "12600KF would decimate the 3900X" for the OP's usage like video encoding!

Oh by the way, it would seem you're also good at using google as those last benchmarks were linked by you!!!

 

[Journey]

Oh by the way, it would seem you're also good at using google as those last benchmarks were linked by you!!!

I know they were, and if you read my post properly, your see I said this is where the 3900x excels Check post #9. . Did you find the 11400F yet?

This is what people do when their overall point is wrong - find other areas to argue over and point

You need to chill dude, I left it for the OP to come back as did you, and they didn't so I'm not looking for arguments I'm looking for data from the OP.

 

[MartinPrince]

The most surprising thing for me is that you're normally on point and sound in your recommendation. I can't think of time that I haven't agreed with one of your previous recommendations.

Ultimately you were recommending the OP to get a 11400f/12400 over a 3900X for his stated usage, which frankly for whatever reason was rubbish.

The fact that you can't just say "Well actually, the 3900X would be better" is disappointing more than anything. Whether the OP comes back or not doesn't change that - recommending a 6 core CPU for fully multithreaded workloads is just daft.

 

[Journey]

They asked for second hand, so my brain automatically assumes low budget, as you may have noticed they didn't specify a budget so I went with caution and the 11400F at £99 is the best you can do right now, even better than the used market. Tell me I'm wrong?

You assume a higher budget fair enough, as I said above we took a different approach and viewed it in a different way, but we still don't have any answers, only questions and some very vague guidance.

Done here now, until the OP comes back then it's a futile exercise really

Thanks.

 

[MartinPrince]

Where you weren't wrong is giving of your own free time to try and give advice and help somebody out. I can't applaud you enough for that!

You started to go off the rails with your 2nd post. When you started to talk about 12400 being better for the OP. I suspect the mistake you made was seeing the word 'Photoshop' and then just trying to prove your recommendation was better but what you missed was the specific mention of "Batch processing" and what this does is actually make @Tetras 3900X recommendation even more pertinent.

You furthered compounded your error by stating that "...the £250 12600KF would decimate the 3900X...", which for you, is a truly daft thing to say.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Seen some benches and they do show the 12600kf destroy the 3900x and even hands the 5900x its ass in a lot of stuff. So you got to be specific about the use case.

 

[MartinPrince]

Seen some benches and they do show the 12600kf destroy the 3900x and even hands the 5900x its ass in a lot of stuff. So you got to be specific about the use case.

We were being specific. If you bothered to read the thread it was stated many times, "Batch exports" and "video encoding". So it was a palpably false and daft statement to make in the obvious context of the thread.

 

[Journey]

I play just civ5 and I use my computer as my entertainment & work computer. Videos, streaming content and doing a lot of batch processes in photoshop and looking into doing some entry level video edititing (for my ecommerce business - making youtube videos).

Let's just clarify, and re-read the OP's use case above which I'll emboldened and then break out.

- "batch processes in Photoshop" - not exports, that was not specifically stated. You can do batch processing of many filters across different images, those are not benchmarked the same an an export.

- "looking into doing some entry level video edititing" - LOOKING INTO - not doing, and stated entry level video editing.

No where was video encoding mention, only some minor low level edits with limited encoding, I doubt they are going to be processing 8k RED footage. It appears that I may have been the only person to actually read the OP's brief other than choosing ignore the second hand request, due to the hugely cheap 11400F, and a suggestion of the 12400F when someone else assumed a £200+ budget just for the CPU.

 

[MartinPrince]

...Done here now, until the OP comes back then it's a futile exercise really

Thanks.

What's going on with you, you're normally pretty reliable and correct in what you say?

 

[Journey]

What's going on with you, you're normally pretty reliable and correct in what you say?

Note you are choosing to ignore the actual content, showing you didn't read the Op's post. *Thumbs up, great job and all that chap*

FYI clarifying you KEEP SAYiNG EXPORT when that was NOT said. Stop saying EXPORT!!!!

 

[MartinPrince]

Let's just clarify, and re-read the OP's use case above which I'll emboldened and then break out.

- "batch processes in Photoshop" - not exports, that was not specifically stated. You can do batch processing of many filters across different images, those are not benchmarked the same an an export.

- "looking into doing some entry level video edititing" - LOOKING INTO - not doing, and stated entry level video editing.

No where was video encoding mention, only some minor low level edits with limited encoding, I doubt they are going to be processing 8k RED footage. It appears that I may have been the only person to actually read the OP's brief other than choosing ignore the second hand request, due to the hugely cheap 11400F, and a suggestion of the 12400F when someone else assumed a £200+ budget just for the CPU.

Goodness me, your skipping and missing out of the obvious in order to make your point right is just surprising.

"...video edititing (for my ecommerce business - making youtube videos)"

All I can conclude is that you have very little experience in actually using Photoshop or editing videos to upload for YouTube. The mentioned tasks are either fully multithreaded or very highly threaded which makes a statement like "12600KF would decimate the 3900X" palpably false contextually and daft, especially coming from you.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

Chill out chaps!