Net migration is down

Britain is a fantastic place to live and a bona fide paradise in most areas when compared to a huge portion of the rest of the planet. I love the culture, the history, the sophistication, the food - you name it. Sure, our weather is a bit rubbish but you can't have everything. As much as love other countries like Italy, I'd never move from Britain.

I find the self-negative Brits are, without fail, those that read the newspapers and watch the news on the TV. It's all half-fabricated doom and gloom.
Spot on.

The UK is a fantastic place to be born. We won the lottery compared to most of the alternatives.
 
Ok so provide evidence if that?

http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf
EU immigrants are more educated, younger, more likely to be in work and less likely to claim benefits than the UK-born. About 44% have some form of higher education compared with only 23% of the UK-born. About a third of EU immigrants live in London, compared with only 11% of the UK-born.


Figure 5:
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox....outcomes-of-migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market/
16.4% of foreign born workers are in elementary occupation areas such as fruit pickers. Therefore 83.6% are doing jobs in management, admin, science and engineering, professional services, etc.
 
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf



Figure 5:
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox....outcomes-of-migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market/
16.4% of foreign born workers are in elementary occupation areas such as fruit pickers. Therefore 83.6% are doing jobs in management, admin, science and engineering, professional services, etc.
Again a genuine question as I really do want to understand it. I'm also a bit drunk so could have missed something very obvious. But there are lots of fancy graphs. What is the source of the data the graphs were made from and was the source validated by a third party in any way?

Really, I'm not being confrontational and really do want to understand the data. I do want some real data to look at and understand but it's hard to find data that isn't biased in some way. Thanks.
 
I moved from South Africa to Holland when I was 15, from Holland to England (London) when I was 22 and will hopefully be living in Oz or Nz by the time I'm 40. The biggest barrier for me was the language barrier when moving to Holland when in the middle of my high school years. Much bullying, many fights, many detentions taught me a lot and I wouldn't change it for the world. I had no intention of ever leaving Holland until I can to visit my cousin in London for a weekend and instantly fell in love with the place. I went home, booked a flight, saved up two months' salary (which was £lol) and packed up and moved.

Arrived in London with a suitcase, about £650, a couch to stay on and nothing else. No education, no parents to fall back on, no safety net, nothing. I now live in a lovely apartment in zone 3, have a great career, am doing a degree and live a great life. I'm very proud of what I've achieved and am extremely grateful for my wife for pushing me. I'm a textbook example of "behind every strong man...".

Anyway, enough about me, how are you guys?
 
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Quite happy here tbh
 
I moved from South Africa to Holland when I was 15, from Holland to England (London) when I was 22 and will hopefully be living in Oz or Nz by the time I'm 40. The biggest barrier for me was the language barrier when moving to Holland when in the middle of my high school years. Much bullying, many fights, many detentions taught me a lot and I wouldn't change it for the world. I had no intention of ever leaving Holland until I can to visit my cousin in London for a weekend and instantly fell in love with the place. I went home, booked a flight, saved up two months' salary (which was £lol) and packed up and moved.

Arrived in London with a suitcase, about £650, a couch to stay on and nothing else. No education, no parents to fall back on, no safety net, nothing. I now live in a lovely apartment in zone 3, have a great career, am doing a degree and live a great life. I'm very proud of what I've achieved and am extremely grateful for my wife for pushing me. I'm a textbook example of "behind every strong man...".

Anyway, enough about me, how are you guys?

That was nice to read, well done you! Brits often cite Australia as a place to emigrate to and I genuinely have no idea why except perhaps that it's assumed to be 'a sunny Britain', which, from what I have read, it certainly isn't.
 
That was nice to read, well done you! Brits often cite Australia as a place to emigrate to and I genuinely have no idea why except perhaps that it's assumed to be 'a sunny Britain', which, from what I have read, it certainly isn't.


Cheers, I could bang on for hours and hours about what I've experienced and all the positives / negatives of everything but I won't chew anyone's ears off!

We were in Oz for 3 weeks at the start of the year, which is when we fell in love with the place. We landed in Sydney, stayed there for 3 days before driving down to Melbourne over the course of 8 days, and stayed there for a week before coming back. I've been to loads of places in Europe, I've been to Vegas, Cincinnatti, Cairo, Beijing and a few others, but Oz was just the most beautiful place I've ever been. As a saffer I am a staunch outdoorsy type, but obviously South Africa is too dangerous to raise kids in like I was raised so it's out of the question for us. Oz reminded me a lot of South Africa before the ANC took over and flushed the country down the pan, the weather is amazing, the scenery is amazing, the people are much more pleasant than London (even in the middle of Sydney's CBD, it really stuck out how much more welcoming the ozzies were towards us irritating tourists). We did as much of the local stuff as we could as well, listened to the news on our road trip a lot, listened to the local radio stations, watched local telly, read a few papers, etc, and there was very little of the SJW nonsense, the ozzies just don't seem to give that stuff the time of day. A much more relaxed lifestyle, no busybodies sticking their nose in everyone else's business, etc. Can't wait to move there.


EDIT: Ends up chewing everyone's ears off anyway :p
 
Again a genuine question as I really do want to understand it. I'm also a bit drunk so could have missed something very obvious. But there are lots of fancy graphs. What is the source of the data the graphs were made from and was the source validated by a third party in any way?

Really, I'm not being confrontational and really do want to understand the data. I do want some real data to look at and understand but it's hard to find data that isn't biased in some way. Thanks.


the data has come form the Office of National Statistics and is reviewed by Oxford university.

There is plenty of unbiased data, just ignore anything presented in the Daily Mail or Sun and you will largely be safe from bias.
 
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf



Figure 5:
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox....outcomes-of-migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market/
16.4% of foreign born workers are in elementary occupation areas such as fruit pickers. Therefore 83.6% are doing jobs in management, admin, science and engineering, professional services, etc.


Where does it say the ‘vast majority’ are net contributors?

You said the majority live in London but your own link states that’s false.

Where does it say the majority earn above average wage?

The first link admits to being partly EU funded lol.
 
Not sure what the big deal is about. All the numbers prove is that there are 250000 more people in the country than there was. The news today was suggesting that companies struggling finding staff, well there a pool of another 1/4 million to help out
 
Where does it say the ‘vast majority’ are net contributors?

You said the majority live in London but your own link states that’s false.

Where does it say the majority earn above average wage?

The first link admits to being partly EU funded lol.

It doesn't, it does show that they're a bit more likely to be unemployed and they're (especially in the case of the A8 countries, more likely to be underemployed) - AFAIK a lot of the reduction in net migration has come from people from the A8 countries heading back home... so for the anti immigrant brigade it perhaps is something they'd like
 
I'd say you can move and live anywhere if you have the right skills that in demand. If I was totally set on leaving the UK, first thing I'd be checking is the points scores a lot of 'desirable' countries give to various trades (and you'd be surprised), for certain countries doing a part time course as a sparky will make get you more points than being a doctor..... crazy but true!
 
I'd love to live somewhere warmer. That's my only real problem with Britain. It's so wet and cold and it doesn't work well with my hobbies.
 
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