Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days
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I added an even simpler analogy for him but he still doesn't seem to get it.
I mean, you say it like it isn't a legitimate complaint.
It's hardly the most important issue going on right now obviously, but I don't think that a stance of "You should just let massive corporations rip you off this month as there's more important stuff going on" is particularly defensible even in these times.
Soldato
Given the current circumstances. You aren't being ripped off, you're being petty over £1. (Assuming those people that pay £4 for UHD Netflix via Sky).
If this was a decision taken by Netflix to reduce their product by their own accord for profit, people having a problem with it would be fully justified. However, this wasn't a decision Netflix made themselves, it was a request by the EU. Something you don't seem to want to acknowledge, or the help Netflix are giving to those affected. Instead you keep posting about how upset you are that YOU aren't being compensated, or specifically posting irrelevant analogies believing that such a thing justify's your opinion. You're entitled to one, but it doesn't mean it's right.
Even in trying times some of you simply can't see further than yourself vs the "massive corporations ripping you off". It sounds overly dramatic, and if you truly feel ripped off you can unsubscribe. But you won't, because it's still great value for money.
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I initially thought hey they should give us a discount but your probably right if it gets to the point im that short I should probably just cancel it.
Read the thread, nobody is complaining about Netflix reducing the quality of their service, we're in agreement it's a good thing and needed. The complaint is about Netflix not compensating people accordingly for said reduction.
To reiterate the analogy form earlier, if you order a fillet steak and they bring you a sirloin but have genuine reasons then you would be understanding, but expect to be charged for the sirloin not for a fillet. That's essentially what Netflix are doing, but instead of giving people a discount they're attempting to profit off peoples good nature in the hope they will simply suck it up. Sadly judging by the responses of you and a few others in this thread a lot of people are falling for it too
You're looking at it from the wrong end.
The people calling Netflix out for this scam are not actually that concerned about how this affects us, it's only a pound or two they should be discounting our subs by after all. It's the fact they're scamming MILLIONS OF POUNDS from their total customer base, and using an international crisis to try and get away with it that has people annoyed.
Do you understand now?
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Soldato
Read the thread, nobody is complaining about Netflix reducing the quality of their service, we're in agreement it's a good thing and needed. The complaint is about Netflix not compensating people accordingly for said reduction.
To reiterate the analogy form earlier, if you order a fillet steak and they bring you a sirloin but have genuine reasons then you would be understanding, but expect to be charged for the sirloin not for a fillet. That's essentially what Netflix are doing, but instead of giving people a discount they're attempting to profit off peoples good nature in the hope they will simply suck it up. Sadly judging by the responses of you and a few others in this thread a lot of people are falling for it too
You're looking at it from the wrong end.
The people calling Netflix out for this scam are not actually that concerned about how this affects us, it's only a pound or two they should be discounting our subs by after all. It's the fact they're scamming MILLIONS OF POUNDS from their total customer base, and using an international crisis to try and get away with it that has people annoyed.
Do you understand now?
I understand your opinion very well thanks, but let's end this tit for tat before it becomes really ridiculous, your opinion is self centred, selfish and ridiculous. Any steak or milk analogy or whatever grandiose idea you hold in your head isn't going to change my mind regarding this matter.
Enjoy paying for your scam service
It's literally the exact opposite of those things.
Yes how self centred of me to to care about other people >.> how selfish that I wouldn't be a fan of a large corporation scamming millions of pounds out of millions of people, how ridiculous that I don't object to them profiteering off a global pandemic >.>
That's a bit mean, it's not his fault he doesn't understand.
Soldato
Given the mass majority of people in this thread don't have any problem with the decision being made at the request of the EU, I believe you're simply speaking for yourself and the other very few like minded people in this thread. No media outlet has expressed outrage, no public body is outraged that there is no discount being offered. It would be admirable if it were the case that you were speaking up for the little man, but that's simply not true, you're venting in GD.
I'm watching RED on Netflix now, and the bitrate is 0.91Mbpss according to the info button on my TV, quite pixely and hard to watch in the dark scenes. It's labelled as HD. Strangely I watched Pain and Gain last night that is also HD and that is showing at 2.72Mbps that was fully watchable without any issues. If someone could try RED for me on a TV that can show bitrate that would be helpful, as it might be specific to that title.
Just tried an episode of La Casa de Papel and Altered Carbon (both 4k) that both go to 7.62Mbps. Previously these and other 4k streams were 15.25Mbps if memory serves me correctly (never seen a higher rate than that for any content). Altered Carbon has a softer look and Casa de Papel looks normal (albeit just rewatched a few minutes of random past episodes). Built in speed test shows 93.88Mbps and my laptop shows just under 600Mbps up and down from fast.com (which is the correct speed). I'm assuming for 4k/HDR content they have cut the bitrate in half, from my tests.
No big deal for me. I live in Spain (on day 8 of a 30 day lockdown) so it's the least of my worries
Lots of content being released on Netflix Spain in the next couple of weeks that interests me and will keep me occupied!
p.s. I have Amazon Prime too, but no easy way to see the bitrate on there from my TV, and most content is 1080p only anyway.
rp2000
Just tried an episode of La Casa de Papel and Altered Carbon (both 4k) that both go to 7.62Mbps. Previously these and other 4k streams were 15.25Mbps if memory serves me correctly (never seen a higher rate than that for any content). Altered Carbon has a softer look and Casa de Papel looks normal (albeit just rewatched a few minutes of random past episodes). Built in speed test shows 93.88Mbps and my laptop shows just under 600Mbps up and down from fast.com (which is the correct speed). I'm assuming for 4k/HDR content they have cut the bitrate in half, from my tests.
No big deal for me. I live in Spain (on day 8 of a 30 day lockdown) so it's the least of my worries
Lots of content being released on Netflix Spain in the next couple of weeks that interests me and will keep me occupied!p.s. I have Amazon Prime too, but no easy way to see the bitrate on there from my TV, and most content is 1080p only anyway.
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Try to look at the bigger picture here and the context of what is happening, maybe that will help you understand.
They’re giving $100m in aid relief for covid but don’t let that stop you buddy.
If people are getting annoyed at a company that’s been asked to reduce their streaming quality during a global pandemic and are upset they are not saving a couple quid a month but said company is also donating $100m towards getting over this situation then I really don’t have anything more to say to such people.
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I support the reduction in streaming quality, I am not bothered about a discount, anyone who is hard up enough to worry about the couple of quid should probably just cancel their subscription so they can spend more time figuring out how they will charge their friends and family for the oxygen they breathe when in your presence.
Caporegime
The $100m 'fund' is a red herring. They should be reducing their prices with that money instead.
@TransTechGirl if you knew anything about the principles of wealth, you'd understand that paying attention to every £ is what gets you wealthy. The charging people to breath hyperbole really is a huge tangent from what's being discussed here.
I'm glad to learn that there are those amongst us that will bend over for a corporate rogering for the greater good when times are tough, though. It's reassuring.
@TransTechGirl if you knew anything about the principles of wealth, you'd understand that paying attention to every £ is what gets you wealthy. The charging people to breath hyperbole really is a huge tangent from what's being discussed here.
The bigger picture is that there is no defined time at which corporate behaviour should be allowed to go unchecked or unchallenged, otherwise it opens the floodgates for other organisations impairing their service offerings but not reducing their prices.
I'm glad to learn that there are those amongst us that will bend over for a corporate rogering for the greater good when times are tough, though. It's reassuring.
This is similar to what I read on Daily Fail about Tesco stopping offers and buy 1 get one free deals to curb panic buying. Sounds great but nothing about Tesco making more money because they're selling everything at a profit instead of attracting people with deals.
Great if they're donating that free bit I don't get to a hospital worker or someone but no they're now selling it and increasing they're bottom line while "helping" to curb panic buying.
Great if they're donating that free bit I don't get to a hospital worker or someone but no they're now selling it and increasing they're bottom line while "helping" to curb panic buying.
This is nothing about bending over for corporate conglomerates, if you fail to see the bigger picture then there is nothing more to say here. I'd agree with you if they were not doing anything to help towards the current outbreak but that's far from the case.
I'm glad to learn there are those amongst us who have their priorities straight at unprecedented times.
Like others have said, you should just cancel your subscription if you are upset to not be getting a couple of quid back given this current situation.
Do we know how much consumption has gone up ? ... independent of state request you could just view this as (unlimited) consumption on which pricing structure established went up 20% (they're out of pocket), so, either increase the subscription to pay for additional resources, or, reduce the bandwidth ....
... so unlimited wasn't unlimited
... so unlimited wasn't unlimited
Soldato
Exactly, Netflix will have a business model which assumes that each consumer uses circa xGB of data per month and presumably has a peak load to manage. It is highly likely that both have increased, requiring more energy and bandwidth and there will be a cost to it.
I view it more like a buffet, it works fine when it's full of normal people. If suddenly a coachload of sumo wrestlers started turning up for dinner everyday you'd soon have to change your pricing structure or limit what could be eaten.
It's difficult to tell, we run one of the worlds largest online games and we're seeing a huge amount of additional players playing, around 40-45% more than normal. I'd suspect Netflix is seeing a similar increase, and I'd expect anything online entertainment/gaming wise, to be seeing 40%+ more usage than normal.
Caporegime
That's a little naive. Netflix are doing this to save their shareholders, for PR, and because they have little choice, not to be good eggs.
Cancelling my Netflix subscription seems an odd suggestion and makes very little practical sense, when I'll be using it more now than ever before. It's a logical fallacy to suggest that anyone not liking a business's practices should automatically cancel their associated services.