Network Harddrive ?

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Hey all,

As i now have several pcs / laptops and i'm finding passing files between them to be a nightmare!

What im after is a network harddrive? - This needs to be avaliable to several pcs running different OS's.

Linux,
XP,
Vista,
Win 7.

Computers are connected to the network wired and wirelessly.

Current Setup; [Includeds a nice picture :)]

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So, internet goes into router, router gives wireless to 2 laptops, router is also wired to one pc and then a switch, switch is wired to 5more pcs.
All of which need to be able to access this 'Network drive'

Is this possible?

Any ideas? -Please post below.

Thank you! Mark.
 
A NAS would be right up your street, either a shop bought with the space for your needs, or a DIY machine with something like freenas running on it.
 
+1 for FreeNas - especially as you seem to have plenty of PC's - an old low power system into which you can shovel loads of HDD's are great for this and much cheaper than a proprietary unit.
 
Power is something i am worried about as what i have spare is a 500MHz pentium 3, which takes ide and only has 2 harddrive spaces.
 
How much power does a regular desktop HDD even need? I never worried because I got myself an uber PSU a while back for futureproofness (850W, and I'm no longer even using any 6-pin adapters!), but the number of HDDs I have must add up.
 
hdds use a small amount of power even under load. you are looking at about 2W idle and maybe 12W max under lots of seeking and data throughput, if that.
 
Big PSU's are a little big of a false economy (@ minyazz). The higher the wattage doesn't always mean the more it can power. (Please skip the next few setences if you are au fait with PSU's, I don't want to patronise :)). e.g. a 520W Corsair HX PSU will probably supply energy to a high clocked, component filled system better than a Jeantech (random) 850W PSU. Good quality components dissipate less power themselves which reduce efficiency and the actual power supplied is cleaner.

Also, remember efficiency ratings. Most good quality PSU's operate about 80-85% efficient at their peak power usage. Now, consider this, at low power draw e.g. 100W a high wattage PSU will be much less efficient than a 300W PSU. Why? Because usually PSU's operate at their most efficient when at 50% load or so (can vary though range of 40-70% load say - it really dones depend on the actual PSU itself). An 850W PSU will operate at say 50% efficiency at 100W (an example), whereas even if a 300W PSU will operate about 70-80% efficiency at this load.

Doesn't seem significant yet?

My system is in my sig. It is custom watercooled and has a 18W pump and 3 120x38mm fans on the radiator. At load, (quad prime), it only draws 300W from the plug. At idle, it sits around 180W. My spec is quite a power, consuming one (I have 4 hard drives also, and many USB devices).

Anyway, to cut a long story short, ensure you pick a PSU for the purpose. In many cases, a good quality 500W beast will power even the most draining of systems, though 600W+ is better for those with mutliple graphics card, especially the uber ones out today! Even looking at your sig, I doubt you even hit more than 325W at load. Graphics may hit closer to 375W., if hitting the CPU at the same time).

Desktop hard drives only consume about 5-10W when idling/working. The real thing to consider is their power draw at spin up which can be 20-25W. This is why multiple hard drive systems sometimes can cause problems on startup for PSU's (not in any home environment really) and is also the reason why BIOSes offer options for staggered spin up.

OP: Sorry, I'm rambling! Just thought I'd add some useful information. You can build a decent server from even new components. I have a server running OpenSolaris and use this as a fileserver for all my computers in the house. It runs a RAID and is much better than any prebuilt NAS. It is an E2220, 1GB RAM, 20GB laptop HDU (OS), 2x 320GB HDU's RAID1 (storage) and draws 45W at idle and 60W working (normal fileserver use, i.e. writing to disks across the network). Not bad, considering it doesn't draw much more than an Atom setup, yet is FAR more powerful.

I definitely recommend FreeNAS for an easy setup but look at other things you might do with it. Sorry for the long post!
 
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you should be able to get a nice chap nas box, just connect it to the router or switch and pick a nas that supports all the os's you want to use acessing it

Most os's have support for drives recognised by windows so most nas boxes will be good if they support windos accessing it
 
Agreed about both the power efficiency and the need for a high-quality PSU! I have the NorthQ 850W Flex; I believe it is quite well regarded. Rated at 80+ efficiency, but that of course could be at the 50% power-draw mark.
I used to have it powering an 8800GTX which drew a bit more power than a couple of 8600s, but still certainly no need for quite that much power. Anyway, I don't pay for electricity atm (bills included in rent) so I'm fine with a somewhat less-efficient PSU for the moment. Plus I have ten drives in there at the moment and this PSU handily caters for this with 9 SATA power cables! So I remain happy with my choice.
My Q6600 isn't such a good clocker as yours either (I doubt I could get it much above 3.45 even with much better cooling, and it only makes that with about 1.45V) so it probably draws nearly 10% more power than yours! :(

Thanks for the info anyway.

Back to the OP, I have little experience with NAS setups but I would've thought you'd be fine with a P3 500MHz, just as long as you don't plan to run RAID5 or something on it.
 
Agreed about both the power efficiency and the need for a high-quality PSU! I have the NorthQ 850W Flex; I believe it is quite well regarded. Rated at 80+ efficiency, but that of course could be at the 50% power-draw mark.
I used to have it powering an 8800GTX which drew a bit more power than a couple of 8600s, but still certainly no need for quite that much power. Anyway, I don't pay for electricity atm (bills included in rent) so I'm fine with a somewhat less-efficient PSU for the moment. Plus I have ten drives in there at the moment and this PSU handily caters for this with 9 SATA power cables! So I remain happy with my choice.
My Q6600 isn't such a good clocker as yours either (I doubt I could get it much above 3.45 even with much better cooling, and it only makes that with about 1.45V) so it probably draws nearly 10% more power than yours! :(

Thanks for the info anyway.

Back to the OP, I have little experience with NAS setups but I would've thought you'd be fine with a P3 500MHz, just as long as you don't plan to run RAID5 or something on it.
Yeah, I noticed it was a NorthQ after - I was bored and wanted to post something insightful! I'm not kncking your choice, just hoping to assist the OP should he take the DIY route.

A P-III 500 would be fine for FreeNAS (which I ran on a P133 briefly!). You might not be so lucky with a full distro on linux and expect to do too much more than fileserving. As above, steer clear of RAID5! RAID1 should suffice in most circumstances (if you even want redundancy). Freenas does have the benefit of not requiring a hard drive on which to store the OS - a usb stick or even the CD-ROM is perfectly fine. What type of switch is that and what kind of files are you wanting to share? The only reason I ask is to do with prebuilt boxes being pretty pants for speed.
 
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What type of switch is that and what kind of files are you wanting to share?

Switch is a standard 8 port unmanaged.
Files will range from notepad .txt to games, 15gb and up.
 
It might be worth upgrading your switch to 1gb if your network cars support such speeds. but I would hold off on that purchase till you have had ago with the NAS and see how you feel with the speeds you get.
 
As above, might want to upgrade to gigabit but it is best to get the NAS bit setup first before leaping on that. I highly recommend the DIY route but it is not for everyone.
 
Would the DIY NAS route mean the FREENAS machine would need to be connected to the router? , As the router is downstairs and im based up stairs with the rest of my pcs / laptops.
And will it be avaliable wirelessly.
 
Yes, it would need to be connected to the router (or the switch). So long as it is on the network somewhere, the others will be able to access the files. The best bet is the place it where it will be needed the most i.e. on the switch with the 5 PCs perhaps, then the others will be able to communicate with it.
 
Would the DIY NAS route mean the FREENAS machine would need to be connected to the router? , As the router is downstairs and im based up stairs with the rest of my pcs / laptops.
And will it be avaliable wirelessly.

The function of the switch is to connect all devices connected to it to all of the netwrok, so any server/NAS device can be connected to any port of the switch or router and still see the internet and all PC's.

I run WHS (Windows Home Server) on an old PC (AMD skt 754 Sempron) with 7 hard drives in it. Works well with all versions of Windows and is easy to manage.
 
As long as the NAS is on your LAN then any other device that is connected to your LAN can be allowed to access the shared drives.

As regards the old HDD's of 6/8Gb - TBH I wouldn't bother, not for that kind of capacity.
 
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