Im not sure how "I'm not even that keen on Fords but I make a point of asking for one instead of a Vauxhall" constitutes me mentioning Ford as if the are premium cars but w/e
Because you were referring to interior quality during your post. In that case, 1+1 really does = 2. As if Ford interiors are better Vauxhalls, if anything, VX are pulling away from Ford in that department as they are trying to catch up with Renault whereas Ford is fairly stagnant even with their new Focus ST which you would expect to have a lot more polish as it is a £21k machine.
So your saying Vauxhalls build quality is historically on par with BMW's? O.o
I am saying a lot manufacturers have poor build quality on the interiors. Even the ones you think are premium, look beyond the plastics and start looking at the automatic window motors etc and you will see that BMWs are no different at all and their windows fail just as much as any other brand and thus, the underlying quality of the electrics etc is just the same which is sadly hidden by the Premium cars marketting departments. And don't forget that Beemers are just as prone to corrosion from salty air environments as the next car, the layer of zinc covering the frame is just as thick as the next car. The major difference is that Beemer owners tend to take greater care of their motor but the motor itself is just as vulnerable as any other on the road from the elements, BMW jump on their car owners own good work and claim it as a bonus for the build quality of products. Marketting at it's finest. A ford or vauxhall owner tend to care less when their car costs £2,000 second hand, strangely it is a form of repeating cycle that punishes the good Ford and Vauxhall owners who see the value of their car devalue very fast due to so called rust prone issues where in fact it is lazy owners who are only after a cheap runabout not properly washing and polishing their panels.
I haven't been warned because the was nothing I said that violated the sites rules, in fact it was a pretty good analogy, improving their cars doe not wipe Vauxhalls reputation.
I don't hate Vauxhall, if you read the post in context it is in reference to the topic of brand stigma and the new Astra/Insignia being miles apart from anything Vauxhall have previously produced (which is true).
Also I suggest you Google what a troll post is that way you won't make this mis-accusation again.
I still think you are troll by the definition given by the dictionary on this matter, it is not a mis-accusation. It is a terribly ill-concieved analogy at the very best, completely distasteful and offensive to the victims and car enthusiast's at worst. And in any case, you are comparing individuals with non-individuals. If you had to then you could only compare those monsters with a certain spec'd model, not the umbrella company but again, it would be distasteful.
Ford once recalled a car that was found to explode if shunted from behind, and admitted they knew about it before it went on sale, it doesn't make all Fords death traps. One example of a design flaw is not the same as two decades of rubbish cars.
This is what I was saying quite clearly so you are only proving my point all the more. But it begs the question why are current Vauxhall's being stigmatised by you because of their past cars? You can't make a rule for one manufacturer and then another rule for another car manufacturer as shown by this and your previous post.
Actually I have accepted this, the new Astra is good (imo better than the current Focus) and the VXR looks great. Like I said my post was in reply to the topic of brand stigma and Vauxhall's horrific reputation.
Refer to my embolded reply above. But Vauxhall's reputation is not strictly horrific, there near past history is pretty bad, but before that they were a popular and respected brand for the UK population before our car industry imploded and at the same time GM did that thing they like to do... 'standardisation'.
I don't do hatchbacks, due to disability I cannot drive manual cars and hatchbacks don't usually come with an autobox and a decent engine. But if we are talking renting I would opt for the new model Astra.
Can we get back on topic now please?
A welcome change of tune there. But for the record we went off topic as soon as the thread brought up the company's past instead of talking solely about the car at hand. I am happy to go back to talking about the Astra VXR, and comparing it to it's rival competitors if need be. I just hate badge snobbery because it is an indication of that people do not know about cars.
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