New cabinet

BaronVonDuncs said:
Free trade deals mean lower to no tariffs and potentially lower non-tariff barriers to trade this means more trade takes place and more trade means more income for UK. Why is that so hard to understand? Have a look at Ricardo's theory of comparative advantage and then try some of Paul Krugman's work on trade.
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Why are you assuming I don't understand what a free trade agreement is, and why it is desirable? All I'm suggesting is that it isn't a necessity, and shouldn't be pursued at any cost.

As with anything, there will be benefits to a potential UK/US deal, and there will be drawbacks. The benefits to this country would have to outweigh the drawbacks before such a treaty would pass through Parliament. ISDS is a considerable drawback - any benefit would need to be huge to offset that.

BaronVonDuncs said:
It is not about being butt hurt over Brexit it is about understanding that the reality of it is really bad and extremely complex. To the point that my opinion is that it is a bad decision that should be re-thought. In a democracy (which the UK sort of is) I can hold such a view and express it as much as I wish and campaign, or take any action within the law to promote my view. So you get over your arrogant fascistic assumption that a one time plebiscite means all discussion is ended and start dealing with the genuine real questions that this massive political and economic blunder is going to deliver on the UK.
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Again with the sweeping assumptions.

I'm no Brexiteer. I'd have preferred to remain in Europe. But I've also got little patience for the constant melodrama. The sky isn't going to fall. The world will keep spinning.

Given the opportunity, I'd campaign again for us to stay in Europe. But lacking that opportunity, seeking the best possible outcome for the UK must be the priority.
 
Just be careful satchef I am pretty sure it was baronvonduncs who said he cried when he heard the result. Best not to upset again.
 
FishFluff said:
Go on then, actually answer my question?
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Why do I think he'll be a good foreign secretary? Because I do?

I think he's a good, passionate politician. Who, despite having a tendency to make the odd Freudian slip, seems to actually care about politics
 
Boris got a high position in office, and had the responsibilities of said office slashed in the same stroke.

Hes in charge of the FCO, but not the negotiations with the EU, and not anything to do with trade, as they now fall under the remit of new offices of state.

So instead he'll be going around doing diplomacy, under tight supervision from our top notch FCO civil servants and diplomats, which will severely limit any potential mishaps. He's also great for brand UK, speaking multiple different languages, with international ancestory and a solid grasp of history.

It means that we have one of the highest profile Brexiteer's in one of the three great offices of state, but said person won't have anything to do with Brexit. Letting May do what she likes, and keeping the euroskeptic wing of the party in check.

Its a genius move by the new PM.
 
Watch the face of the US state department official when he learns Boris is the new Foreign Secretary. Given the slew of ill-judged, sometime racist, comments that Boris has made about countries and leaders around the world, he's a very poor choice for Foreign Secretary. Even the diminished post that he's taking up with Brexit and International Trade remove.


The question is whether May has set him up to fail - in which case she's put petty party politics ahead of the real interests of the country - or whether she actually chose him because she thinks he's a good choice - in which case I question her judgement.
 
Judgeneo said:
So instead he'll be going around doing diplomacy,
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Diplomacy not being his strong point

under tight supervision from our top notch FCO civil servants and diplomats, which will severely limit any potential mishaps.
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Boris is a synonym for mishap :p

He's also great for brand UK, speaking multiple different languages, with international ancestory and a solid grasp of history.
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That 'solid grasp' being his factually innaccurate retelling of his own revisionist versions?

Mr Jack said:
The question is whether May has set him up to fail - in which case she's put petty party politics ahead of the real interests of the country - or whether she actually chose him because she thinks he's a good choice - in which case I question her judgement.
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Exactly how I feel
 
Mr Jack said:
Watch the face of the US state department official when he learns Boris is the new Foreign Secretary. Given the slew of ill-judged, sometime racist, comments that Boris has made about countries and leaders around the world, he's a very poor choice for Foreign Secretary. Even the diminished post that he's taking up with Brexit and International Trade remove.


The question is whether May has set him up to fail - in which case she's put petty party politics ahead of the real interests of the country - or whether she actually chose him because she thinks he's a good choice - in which case I question her judgement.
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I reckon it's the former, she is giving him all the rope he needs to properly do himself so that his political career is well and truly buried so that in 3.5 years time he doesn't crawl out of the woodwork to challenge her for leadership if Brexit goes pear shaped (i.e we leave under really bad terms for the UK)
 
Steedie said:
I think he's a good, passionate politician. Who, despite having a tendency to make the odd Freudian slip, seems to actually care about politics
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Really? He was an awful London mayor. He always had his focus elsewhere rather on the job that he was elected to do. He saw the job as nothing more than a series of PR stunts for his personal brand.
 
Steedie said:
Why do I think he'll be a good foreign secretary? Because I do?

I think he's a good, passionate politician. Who, despite having a tendency to make the odd Freudian slip, seems to actually care about politics
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no chance, Borris was in favour of the EU and always had been, but saw a chance to grab the throne and sold his politics down the river. That is not the actions of a man who cares about politics, thats a man who is vying for power
 
scorza said:
New Brexit minister's thoughts on Brexit as of two days ago: http://www.conservativehome.com/pla...0-a-brexit-economic-strategy-for-britain.html

Summary:

- Trade deals with non-EU countries can and will be done quickly;
- Tax and red-tape cuts;
- Maintain existing protections for workers;
- Article 50 "probably" to be triggered in December this year.

I'm liking what I read in that article.
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Quoted for future reference.

Aren't you the least bit nervous with the first point.

A trade deal done quickly cannot be in the UK's interests from what I've read. Unless both parties are already in common agreement however looking at the TTIP it seems like Europe and the US are no where near consensus.

Secondly I cannot equate leaving the EU and it's single market with "less" red tape. :confused:

The cabinet appointments are scary there doesn't seem to be any appeasement of the 16M who wanted to stay in Europe and she's still not even given a guarantee for the millions of EU citizens living in the UK.

It's scary stuff :(
 
jas72 said:
The cabinet appointments are scary there doesn't seem to be any appeasement of the 16M who wanted to stay in Europe and she's still not even given a guarantee for the millions of EU citizens living in the UK.
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Philip Hammond, Amber Rudd and Michael Fallon voted remain (along with May herself), there will be more positions filled today too. The EU hasn't guaranteed the rights of UK citizens either and free movement may well still be included as part of the Brexit deal.
 
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