** New Canon EOS M w/ EF-M Mount **

[Reemul]

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Originally Posted by Ksanti
The NEX presents a nice camera but the lens system is practically non-existent, and I'd be unhappy with performance from all of the others' tiny sensors.

Neither is EF-M, as of yet.

An EF adaptor? Get an Alpha adaptor.

You can't criticize the NEX and applaud this.


There are now 13 lenses for the Nex system, sure there is only 1 really small pancake and Sony do need to get on board with that. If you wish to include the adapters there is over 100.

Of course hardcore photographers expect more but 99% of people buying these cameras probably don't own anywhere near 3 lenses let alone more, we can't use us as a guide to what the system should have or users need, it's aimed at the casuals more than the hardcore crowd

The Canon will have 2 without the adapter and many more with. However it will have the same issue as the Nex which is the lenses will be bigger than you may want on a smaller system, it seems Canon also can't defeat the physics of it yet.

If you are new to the system with no Canon lenses I see no reason to buy it. No viewfinder options at all, very poor focusing speed if you watch the youtbue preview.

It really reminds me of the Nex 3 my mother in Law has which is no bad thing if it's aimed at those people however the big thing Sony found once it attracted the more hardcore photographers was that minimal was too minimal hence the changes to the system they have been making.

I think it is a good start for P&S shooters that are Canon fans that want to upgrade and as a starting point for Canon in to the CSC market. I'm sure like Sony they will upgrade and improve in the coming 24 months while releasing more lenses and with a great sensor results will be good.

Personally I have a Nex 7 but i'm all for competition as it drives change and advancement and puts pressure on Sony/Nikon/Samsung to improve and offer more which the CSC larger sensor market does need.

 

[Nexus]

How many people that aren't well informed spend £800 on a digital camera?

Sure you see the odd person who has spend £380 on a buying an SLR with kit lens on the high street, but how many with full frame SLR's? It's simply outside the entry level buyers budget. It's like marketing a Ferrari to someone looking at a Vauxhall Corsa (except in this case the former is actually better), no matter what marketing spiel you give, you ain't gonna sell it.

I'm talking Mirrorless cameras in general here, not just the example of the pricing of a Canon that hasn't been released yet. If you look at the prices of existing Mirrorless systems on the market, the majority are available at a price point that is often cheaper than an entry level DSLR kit.

Regarding what I said earlier about Manufacturers targeting different areas, the price indicates Canon is going after serious Photographers.

Also as I've said, it isn't the 'odd' person buy an entry level DSLR... they are Canon and Nikon's biggest DSLR lines, more so than any of their Pro or Semi-Pro kit, they are in effect their most important cameras which is why they get refreshed so often. Just look at how many people are shooting with them in tourist spots, infact just look at how many threads we get on here constantly asking for a spec me an entry level DSLR!

 

[Energize]

I'm talking Mirrorless cameras in general here, not just the example of the pricing of a Canon that hasn't been released yet. If you look at the prices of existing Mirrorless systems on the market, the majority are available at a price point that is often cheaper than an entry level DSLR kit.

Regarding what I said earlier about Manufacturers targeting different areas, the price indicates Canon is going after serious Photographers.

Also as I've said, it isn't the 'odd' person buy an entry level DSLR... they are Canon and Nikon's biggest DSLR lines, more so than any of their Pro or Semi-Pro kit, they are in effect their most important cameras which is why they get refreshed so often. Just look at how many people are shooting with them in tourist spots, infact just look at how many threads we get on here constantly asking for a spec me an entry level DSLR!

I have looked at all the mirrorless cameras and only a couple were below 340 with a lens.

I was referring to clueless people buying SLRs, if someone's made a thread here they are not one of the aforementioned uninformed masses.

 

[Hxc]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/25/kipon-preps-canon-ef-lens-adapters-for-micro-four-thirds-and-nex/

If these come out for a decent price and without major compromise, Canon have a problem on their hands.

 

[Nexus]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/25/kipon-preps-canon-ef-lens-adapters-for-micro-four-thirds-and-nex/

If these come out for a decent price and without major compromise, Canon have a problem on their hands.

I suppose it depends on whether this company would be infringing on Canon's patents and IP if they try and use the EOS couplings that allow the lens to be used properly.

 

[McGraw]

I'm struggling to see who these appeal to to be honest. Pack all your lenses in a bag and what difference does a slightly smaller body make?

I love the the aps-c sensor but hate the fact it doesn't have a viewfinder.

 

[Energize]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/25/kipon-preps-canon-ef-lens-adapters-for-micro-four-thirds-and-nex/

If these come out for a decent price and without major compromise, Canon have a problem on their hands.

Can only be a good thing, by removing the requirement to buy extorionate equipment like the 24k gold priced mount adapters the systems become more viable. If you could use standard lenses on mirrorless cameras they would actually have an appeal to someone out there.

I'm struggling to see who these appeal to to be honest. Pack all your lenses in a bag and what difference does a slightly smaller body make?

You can fit the cameras in your pocket, you don't need a bag, that's their advantage.

 

[D.P.]

I suppose it depends on whether this company would be infringing on Canon's patents and IP if they try and use the EOS couplings that allow the lens to be used properly.

There isn't an issue here, sigma and Tamron already sell lenses using the EOS mount and electrical couplings,you can already buy adapters to allow canon lenses to work on other cameras. Kodak originally sold DSLRs with both canon and Nikon mounts.

There would only be w algal issue if someone made a lens nd claimed it was a camera Len, or samera body.

 

[D.P.]

I'm struggling to see who these appeal to to be honest. Pack all your lenses in a bag and what difference does a slightly smaller body make?

I love the the aps-c sensor but hate the fact it doesn't have a viewfinder.

Exactly my point, the entry level DSLRs are already tiny, the limiting factor is the lenses. Even my trusty lightweight trekking setup of a Nikon 16-85 and 70-300 would utterly dwarf any such small mirror less making such cameras with APS sensors useless.

Nikon 1 and m43 just gets more and more appealing as a light weight alternative to full slr gear.

Cano. Will also have to have done a lot of work to get their AF close to the Nikon 1!

 

[D.P.]

Can only be a good thing, by removing the requirement to buy extorionate equipment like the 24k gold priced mount adapters the systems become more viable. If you could use standard lenses on mirrorless cameras they would actually have an appeal to someone out there.



You can fit the cameras in your pocket, you don't need a bag, that's their advantage.

You can't it the lenses in our pockets though. A 70-300 budget lightweight wildlife lens on a begginer DSLRs funnily enough the same lens on an APS mirrorless.

 

[Andy90]

It will probably sell well. It looks nice, has a good brand name and clearly from the videos I have seen from Canon it is being marketed towards "young professionals who wear trendy jackets, drink latte coffee, wear canvas shoulder bags, live a somewhat bohemian lifestyle with the back up of money and use macs"

Cost probably isn't an issue for those individuals - it will be seen as a 'cool' accessory.

I've already seen a pre-order price of £769 and would expect it to drop even more after release.

 

[cokecan]

I'm struggling to see who these appeal to to be honest. Pack all your lenses in a bag and what difference does a slightly smaller body make?

I love the the aps-c sensor but hate the fact it doesn't have a viewfinder.

I know someone who may well be interested in this (maybe not at launch price!). She suffers from arthritis but wants to get back into photography having stopped it back in the days of SLR but finds the size and weight some DSLR's a bit uncomfortable.

I guess this may still be an issue if she had the EOS M and marries with with a large heavy lens but I can imagine it with a slim pancake prime being quite manageable.

 

[D.P.]

I know someone who may well be interested in this (maybe not at launch price!). She suffers from arthritis but wants to get back into photography having stopped it back in the days of SLR but finds the size and weight some DSLR's a bit uncomfortable.

I guess this may still be an issue if she had the EOS M and marries with with a large heavy lens but I can imagine it with a slim pancake prime being quite manageable.

M43s or Nikon 1 would be a better option to keep lenses realistic IMO.

 

[Tysonator]

I wounder if in 6 months time the entry price for the Canon M will drop !

 

[Energize]

You can't it the lenses in our pockets though. A 70-300 budget lightweight wildlife lens on a begginer DSLRs funnily enough the same lens on an APS mirrorless.

I could fit a 70-300mm in my pocket. However you can't say that because you personally or otherwise can't fit long telephoto zooms in their pocket that mirrorless cameras are not portable, when 90% of users are not using such long focal lengths. Remember they are not for professional photographers, they are more aimed for hipsters who want to do everyday shooting.

 

[Tysonator]

If I had the an M series camera it would be worth buying a used Tamron 18-250 lens.
As the lens is consider to be a great all rounder and the best thing is it is small enough to put in a pocket or small bag.

For me I see the appeal of the mirrorless cameras as a second portable small camera for a DSLR owner. As most DSLR owners have invested in at least 2 lens.

For me I have 3, Simga 17-70mm DC (walk around lens ), EF 70-300L IS USM, 100mm Macro.
For me the M lens adaptor would be a good buy to use my currrent lens.

However,....we are technically still in a recession so I would expect large companies to start offering discounted bundle buys !
At the moment price I think is a big limiting factor on purchasing a either a SONY NEX 5N or the new Canon M series.

 

[Rich]

Was hoping they would release an enthusiast type ILC with a viewfinder and manual controls. Too late anyway given that I already got the X-Pro 1 and have been having a lot of fun with it.

Lets see what they bring out next.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

Was hoping they would release an enthusiast type ILC with a viewfinder and manual controls. Too late anyway given that I already got the X-Pro 1 and have been having a lot of fun with it.

Lets see what they bring out next.

I'm fairly certain this is their entry level option (which makes the price look even worse, though so far from release it might even come down before we see it on the shelves) there are already rumours of a more advanced version. On the other hand it does make the 650D look like a bargain! (it rrp is also over priced)